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  • #61
    Originally posted by counterpuncher View Post
    So I guess that cavemen who happened to live where there was a large amount of fruit available as a food source were pretty much destined to turn into fat, sugar addicted tubs of lard.
    Are you familiar with the concept of hibernation in mammals? Fruit is seasonal. Mammals in the wild pig out in the bountiful food months, get fat, and can survive a lean seasons (cold / arid) as a result.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    • #62
      Originally posted by otzi View Post
      When I first started the Primal Blueprint almost 1 year ago, I refused to give up fruit. I was eating 2-3 bananas, apples, kiwis and a whole melon every day. For the first time in my life, I wasn't eating cookies, chips, and candy bars. I lost a lot of weight and then hit a stall. Re-examining my diet and reading up on fructose led me to limit the fruit I was eating. When I cut most of it out, I lost weight again. Similar stalls were broke by cutting out dairy, potatoes, rice, and artificial sweetners. So, my advice is eat what you want, but if you aren't getting results follow the PB and see what you can tolerate.

      I currently eat 1-2 servings of fruit a day, mostly berries but sometimes a banana or pear.
      Exact same thing happened to me, I now only eat fruit, mostly berries and a banana every third day!
      “But a smell shivered him awake.It was a scent as old as the world. It was a hundred aromas of a thousand places. It was the tang of pine needles. It was the musk of sex. It was the muscular rot of mushrooms. It was the spice of oak. Meaty and redolent of soil and bark and herb. It was bats and husks and burrows and moss. It was solid and alive - so alive! And it was close"

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      • #63
        Originally posted by counterpuncher View Post
        So I guess that cavemen who happened to live where there was a large amount of fruit available as a food source were pretty much destined to turn into fat, sugar addicted tubs of lard.
        My thoughts exactly....!
        “But a smell shivered him awake.It was a scent as old as the world. It was a hundred aromas of a thousand places. It was the tang of pine needles. It was the musk of sex. It was the muscular rot of mushrooms. It was the spice of oak. Meaty and redolent of soil and bark and herb. It was bats and husks and burrows and moss. It was solid and alive - so alive! And it was close"

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        • #64
          Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
          I ate 5 cakes every Friday for 6 weeks straight. Lost quite a bit of body fat doing that. I miss 1,000g of carbohydrate Fridays. I can't wait to pick them back up next week
          Hold up hold up. You ate 5 cakes in 1 day? Like 5, entire round cakes?
          well then

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          • #65
            Fruit Wars.

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            • #66
              I feel my body temperature go up whenever my weight is on an upward trajectory, whenever I'm putting on fat.
              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Blackcatbone View Post
                For you, perhaps, but 30% of the population malabsorbs it in varying degrees. And it totally stops my digestion. The fact that such a large percentage can't make use of fructose (unless it's bound to glucose) would indicate to me that it isn't nearly as important as you make it out to be. Some can handle it just fine, but many have issues with it.
                And have these studies been done with real, whole fruits? Or have they been done with highly refined sugars?
                Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                  And have these studies been done with real, whole fruits? Or have they been done with highly refined sugars?
                  All of the above. A person with FM can't eat whole fruit that is high in fructose. Interestingly enough, the highly refined sugars, as in sucrose, are easier for people with FM to handle, as the glucose binds to the fructose which then transports it across the lumen. HFCS sweetened drinks are certainly more of an issue, as they contain higher concentrations of fructose, but even whole fruits are an issue to someone with FM, as once it's chewed and liquified in the stomach it's fairly easily wrung out of what hits the small intestine. And it's quite possible to be able to handle larger loads of fructose for a while, without any obvious symptoms, but everyone is limited on some level. Surpass that level long enough and you're giving your gut flora a bounty to multiply from, leading to GI issues.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                    Fruit Wars.
                    Yes. I'd get some popcorn to watch except I don't eat corn. I wonder if beet chips would do.
                    "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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                    Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Gadsie View Post
                      Hold up hold up. You ate 5 cakes in 1 day? Like 5, entire round cakes?
                      Yes.








                      That's what I would eat.
                      Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                      • #71
                        And you wonder why you were getting chunky?

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Blackcatbone View Post
                          All of the above. A person with FM can't eat whole fruit that is high in fructose. Interestingly enough, the highly refined sugars, as in sucrose, are easier for people with FM to handle, as the glucose binds to the fructose which then transports it across the lumen. HFCS sweetened drinks are certainly more of an issue, as they contain higher concentrations of fructose, but even whole fruits are an issue to someone with FM, as once it's chewed and liquified in the stomach it's fairly easily wrung out of what hits the small intestine. And it's quite possible to be able to handle larger loads of fructose for a while, without any obvious symptoms, but everyone is limited on some level. Surpass that level long enough and you're giving your gut flora a bounty to multiply from, leading to GI issues.
                          Show me a study where fruit consumption caused disastrous metabolic damage. Not sucrose, not HFCS, not agave, but real fruit.

                          It's the assumption in primal/paleo circles that Mother Nature isn't stupid, and human begins should best stick to a traditional human diet. Fruit depends on consumption by animals to survive - the seeds are eaten, excreted and the new plant grows where the seed was pooped out, complete with fertilizer. If fruit is not made attractive to be eaten and consumed, the species dies out. It seems to me that if 30% of the population can't tolerate fruit, that would make Mother Nature pretty stupid.
                          Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                            And you wonder why you were getting chunky?
                            Eating that made me skinnier than I ever was. I was 132 lbs eating that. I haven't had a cake or pie in 9 months and I'm now 147 lbs. Avoiding dietary fat and eating nothing but cake, egg whites and yogurt made me ridiculously skinny.
                            Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                              Eating that made me skinnier than I ever was. I was 132 lbs eating that. I haven't had a cake or pie in 9 months and I'm now 147 lbs. Avoiding dietary fat and eating nothing but cake, egg whites and yogurt made me ridiculously skinny.
                              I know nothing about cake, but isn't cake full of fat as well?
                              well then

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Gadsie View Post
                                I know nothing about cake, but isn't cake full of fat as well?
                                It doesn't have to be if you make it yourself. A few years ago I was really good at making whole grain fat free baked goods. There are lots of ways to sub out butter and oil.

                                ETA:
                                But Chaco, you must have made your cheesecakes with fat-free dairy? Did that still work even with the higher water content? Oh and were there no yolks?? Sorry, I know I probably read a recipe back when you were posting them, but now I don't remember.

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