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  • #16
    Originally posted by activia View Post
    Jackie have you cut your omega 6 consumption as well -- see choco you got me on the ball lol

    Are you making your own salad dressing? Check out these if not: Homemade Dressing Mix Variety Pack (French Garden, Napa Garden & Italian Garden), 3.3 to 4-Ounce Containers: Amazon.com: Grocery & Gourmet Food

    What about mayo?

    What about lean conventional meat, or have you gone grass fed?
    I've been more mindful of omega 6, but other than replacing my almonds with macadamias and hazelnuts, I haven't been doing too much. Ack! Advice?

    I don't use salad dressing, and I cut mayo 3 weeks ago when I cut dairy.

    As for meat, I try to do grass-fed beef (just had strip steak last night, yum!). But the chicken is all God-knows what (discovered this morning that my eggs are from hens feed corn and SOY, f***!), and ditto the turkey.

    Why?
    F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

    **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

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    • #17
      Originally posted by emmie View Post
      I am 'cold turkey' with fruit because I find that it's a 'trigger food' for me--anything sweet will do that.

      I find, however, that I can sometimes manage it if it's in a restaurant setting--i.e. self-limiting. But I don't buy fruit to have at home--ever.
      My family, unfortunately, isn't primal. So we have not only plenty of fruit, but also bread, pasta, cereal, cookies...you name it. The only thing that I'm bad about is the fruit. I can easily not eat the other stuff. Evil fruit! (I just had a pear. Sigh.)
      F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

      **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

      **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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      • #18
        read: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread41842.html

        Choco did a nice write up. It sounds like you hit the big ones cutting out Soybean/canola PUFA oils in general is key! Have you found a local farm CSA for your meat yet? Its a much cheaper way to get grass fed. You could get conventional just trim the fat and get the fat from your local farm semi-monthly to cook with, or use coconut oil.

        Eggs shop around, All chickens are fed some sort of corn feed.. but some are actually mainly outdoors all day so they eat a lot more natural stuff... look for PASTURE raised. Whole foods has one..but local farms is best.
        Primal since March 2011

        Female/29 years old/5' 1"/130ish lbs

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        • #19
          Originally posted by activia View Post
          read: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread41842.html

          Choco did a nice write up. It sounds like you hit the big ones cutting out Soybean/canola PUFA oils in general is key! Have you found a local farm CSA for your meat yet? Its a much cheaper way to get grass fed. You could get conventional just trim the fat and get the fat from your local farm semi-monthly to cook with, or use coconut oil.

          Eggs shop around, All chickens are fed some sort of corn feed.. but some are actually mainly outdoors all day so they eat a lot more natural stuff... look for PASTURE raised. Whole foods has one..but local farms is best.
          Thanks for the link -- will read!

          I actually found one brand of eggs that is in exactly one supermarket about 20 minutes away. Organic, pasture-raised chickens free to roam and eat all the grass they want and bugs they can catch. Couldn't get to that super this week, so am making do with the craptastic soy-feed eggs.

          As for a local farm, I still have to do this. I do cook exclusively with coconut oil (small exception of olive oil when my FIL is here; he still can't wrap his arms around the notion of coconut oil being healthy).

          Do you think this is related to my crazy fruit cravings?
          F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

          **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

          **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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          • #20
            I think your fruit cravings are because sugar is addictive
            Primal since March 2011

            Female/29 years old/5' 1"/130ish lbs

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            • #21
              Although it could also happen if you jsut signifcantly cut carbs... your body just craving carbs in general.. but if not, its the fructose thinking for you lol
              Primal since March 2011

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              • #22
                Originally posted by activia View Post
                Although it could also happen if you jsut signifcantly cut carbs... your body just craving carbs in general.. but if not, its the fructose thinking for you lol
                Heh. Yeah. "It wasn't me, it was the FRUIT!"

                I'll cut fruit out next week and see how I do with it.

                Watch. In two weeks, I'll be posting about the evils of red bell peppers. And then we can talk about nightshades.
                F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

                **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

                **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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                • #23
                  Been thinking about fruit in an evolutionary context lately. Fruit was not created for the benefit of humans. It was created for the benefit of the plants, to hijack animals as a seed-dispersal mechanism. And the plants will take advantage of supernormal stimulus if it gets the job done.

                  So in the very same way that fast food is designed to be more appealing than healthy food, so fruit can also be more appealing than its nutritional content would justify. The plant doesn't care if you go on a blood sugar roller coaster or get the runs. Heck, that might even serve its devious agenda, by causing you to swallow huge amounts of seeds and spew them everywhere.

                  Not saying all fruit is bad. Just that the plants' reproductive interests do not necessarily coincide with our own.
                  Last edited by Timothy; 11-11-2011, 12:52 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Timothy View Post
                    Been thinking about fruit in an evolutionary context lately. Fruit was not created for the benefit of humans. It was created for the benefit of the plants, to hijack animals as a seed-dispersal mechanism. And the plants will take advantage of supernormal stimulus if it gets the job done.

                    So in the very same way that fast food is designed to be more appealing than healthy food, so fruit can also be more appealing than its nutritional content would justify. The plant doesn't care if you go on a blood sugar roller coaster or get the runs. Heck, that might even serve its devious agenda, by causing you to swallow huge amounts of seeds and spew them everywhere.

                    Not saying all fruit is bad. Just that the plants' reproductive interests do not necessarily coincide with our own.
                    But then what about vegetables? Vegetables don't necessarily want you to eat them, yet they're very, very good for you. But grains don't want you to eat them either, and they'll make you pay dearly for it. By this logic, it makes more evolutionary sense for fruit to be better for you than vegetables as fruit wants you to get it more than vegetables want you to. However, this isn't the face and most veggies trump most fruits. Then there's meat, that REALLY doesn't want you to eat it. In fact, it's conscious about it! Things aren't always what they seem. I don't think you can make sense of this and we need to take everything at a case-by-case level.
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                    • #25
                      Dr. Kurt Harris at the Archevore site says, "Favor foods that are defenseless when dead." I though that was cute. He is trying to get a philosophy of Paleo 2.0 out there where the evolutionary aspect of why something is or isn't right for us is not the only consideration. Sugar is sugar. It doesn't matter if it comes from a candy bar or a piece of fruit (with fruit being just a tad better due to more fiber and vitamins). But that doesn't negate the sugar.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                        But then what about vegetables? Vegetables don't necessarily want you to eat them, yet they're very, very good for you. But grains don't want you to eat them either, and they'll make you pay dearly for it. By this logic, it makes more evolutionary sense for fruit to be better for you than vegetables as fruit wants you to get it more than vegetables want you to. However, this isn't the face and most veggies trump most fruits. Then there's meat, that REALLY doesn't want you to eat it. In fact, it's conscious about it! Things aren't always what they seem. I don't think you can make sense of this and we need to take everything at a case-by-case level.
                        Oh, I totally agree. Case-by-case is the way to take it. Some fruits live in happy symbiosis with the animals that eat them. But other fruit may be more exploitative.

                        Most animal and vegetable matter doesn't want to be eaten. Tubers defend themselves by hiding deep underground. Ruminant flesh protects itself by being part of an animal that can run away or gore a predator. Vegetables defend themselves by proliferating beyond grazers' ability to eat them all. Because those tissues developed non-toxic defenses, once they're in your belly, you're good to go.

                        Only some tissues were forced to develop toxic defenses for lack of anything better. Grains obviously, but also poison frogs and insects, certain mushrooms, and certain berries that can only be tolerated by the plant's preferred animal (birds usually, probably because of their ability to disperse the seeds more broadly).

                        So all I'm saying is, when you eat something, understand its adaptations so you know you've circumvented its defenses. And be mindful that in the case of fruit, the plant may prefer for you to eat more than would be nutritionally optimal for you.

                        We could hypothesize that fruits that go bad quickly (e.g., tropical soft-skinned fruits) have more incentive to get you to gorge than fruits that can hang around for a long time (e.g., antioxidant-packed berries in a cool climate).

                        EDIT: Paleobird quoted: "Favor foods that are defenseless when dead." That says it all so much more succinctly.
                        Last edited by Timothy; 11-11-2011, 01:28 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                          Dr. Kurt Harris at the Archevore site says, "Favor foods that are defenseless when dead." I though that was cute. He is trying to get a philosophy of Paleo 2.0 out there where the evolutionary aspect of why something is or isn't right for us is not the only consideration. Sugar is sugar. It doesn't matter if it comes from a candy bar or a piece of fruit (with fruit being just a tad better due to more fiber and vitamins). But that doesn't negate the sugar.
                          I disagree. Whole foods often contain enzymes that better aid the digestion of the food that the isolated components do not. Fruit isn't a bag of sugar, and your body handles fruit differently than sugar. 25g of carbs from an apple will digest differently than 25g of carbs from white sugar, even if the fructose/glucose ratio is similar. Honey illustrates this best of all. Cheap, boiled, clear store-bought honey has been shown to elevate triglycerides similarly to HFCS, but raw honey does not. Even though raw honey has the same carb content as typical honey-bear honey, the effect on the body is remarkably different because boiling it destroys the natural enzymes that help aid its assimilation in the body. The same thing goes for oils. There's a big difference between eating fish and taking fish oil, and there's a big difference between eating flaxseeds and eating flaxseed oil. Hell, same thing goes for peanuts and peanut oil, walnuts and walnut oil...the whole food is almost always superior.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                            I disagree. Whole foods often contain enzymes that better aid the digestion of the food that the isolated components do not. Fruit isn't a bag of sugar, and your body handles fruit differently than sugar. 25g of carbs from an apple will digest differently than 25g of carbs from white sugar, even if the fructose/glucose ratio is similar. Honey illustrates this best of all. Cheap, boiled, clear store-bought honey has been shown to elevate triglycerides similarly to HFCS, but raw honey does not. Even though raw honey has the same carb content as typical honey-bear honey, the effect on the body is remarkably different because boiling it destroys the natural enzymes that help aid its assimilation in the body. The same thing goes for oils. There's a big difference between eating fish and taking fish oil, and there's a big difference between eating flaxseeds and eating flaxseed oil. Hell, same thing goes for peanuts and peanut oil, walnuts and walnut oil...the whole food is almost always superior.
                            Re-read my post. I said that the fruit was marginally better. That does not mean that stuffing yourself on peaches is good for you.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                              I disagree. Whole foods often contain enzymes that better aid the digestion of the food that the isolated components do not. Fruit isn't a bag of sugar, and your body handles fruit differently than sugar. 25g of carbs from an apple will digest differently than 25g of carbs from white sugar, even if the fructose/glucose ratio is similar. Honey illustrates this best of all. Cheap, boiled, clear store-bought honey has been shown to elevate triglycerides similarly to HFCS, but raw honey does not. Even though raw honey has the same carb content as typical honey-bear honey, the effect on the body is remarkably different because boiling it destroys the natural enzymes that help aid its assimilation in the body. The same thing goes for oils. There's a big difference between eating fish and taking fish oil, and there's a big difference between eating flaxseeds and eating flaxseed oil. Hell, same thing goes for peanuts and peanut oil, walnuts and walnut oil...the whole food is almost always superior.
                              Wow, that's great to know, since I recently purchased a bunch of raw honey and went crazy over it last night (several T, but it gave me a stomachache XD) I just try to cut out carbs in general on most days, and then every once in a while eat fruit or sweeter chocolate varieties to help elevate leptin levels. But I tend to binge big time if I eat large amounts of carbs at once.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                                Re-read my post. I said that the fruit was marginally better. That does not mean that stuffing yourself on peaches is good for you.
                                I think it's much more than marginally. That's still not fair. White sugar vs apples or bananas is not a fair comparison, even marginally.
                                Originally posted by sakura_girl View Post
                                Wow, that's great to know, since I recently purchased a bunch of raw honey and went crazy over it last night (several T, but it gave me a stomachache XD) I just try to cut out carbs in general on most days, and then every once in a while eat fruit or sweeter chocolate varieties to help elevate leptin levels. But I tend to binge big time if I eat large amounts of carbs at once.
                                While raw honey may not be detrimental to your health, it isn't exactly nutritious, and it still sends your blood sugar soaring. You're best off not using it, but if you must use a sweetener, it's the best to use. Consuming several tablespoons of any sweetener in one sitting is never a good idea. Ever.
                                Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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