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    Hi all, am new here

    Ive joined, as I try to go to the gym regularly and have always looked at various diets in order to try and get lean, but maintain muscle

    I heard about this site so decided to have a browse

    Ive just got a couple of questions:

    1. what carb sources do you guys use?
    In every diet I have made for myself before I have always created a diet with what I had considered as generally accepted as "better carbs" i.e wholegrain breads, pasta, rice, oats etc, I see the book sort of dismesses most carbs in these forms, so which carbs do you use?

    2. Pre/post workout meals
    Similar to above, I understand following the primal regime is a low carb diet, so when working out I guess still is best to base carbs arounf workout times, so pre/post workout, is this correct and what carbs do you use in these meals

    3. when the book states around 100-150g carbs, I am confused what the carb sources include, i.e is it fruits, fibrous veg? etc

    Thanks!

  • #2
    our carbs come from veggies. Sweet potatoes are generally encouraged for workout carbs, however you should try to encourage your body to use fat instead of carbs if you're trying to lose weight.. Fruit should be viewed as candy bar from a tree and enjoyed sparingly, unless weight loss is not one of your goals.
    Primal is not a low carb lifestyle. It just tends to be lower carb than the standard diet, because it cuts out all the fluff (pasta, bread, cereal, etc)
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    • #3
      Thanks for your quick and helpful reply

      I have to admit, my favourite veg is the less starchy ones, green veg.. I am not a big fan of sweet potatoes/squashes etc, but sure that wouldnt be a problem

      Appreciate the info on the fruits, and appreciate the insight so far

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      • #4
        My carbs come from mainly green non-starchy vegetables and sometimes a few nuts, seeds and a bit of unsweetened shredded coconut (I put a bit of that in my tuna salad).

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        • #5
          My carbs are from veggies, sweet potatos, white rice, and occasionally berries.

          Primal is a low-er carb lifestyle. And yes, typically it's best to consume carbs pre and post workout. Check out LeanGains.

          The carb sources stated in the book include everything-as long as it's primal-veggies, potatoes, fruit (kept to a minimim if you're trying to lean out), dairy for some...
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          • #6
            Hi Thanks for the reply

            I undertsand that rice is ok for a pwo meal, so I will prob try that to start with

            I am reading through the book, but its alot to try and take in at once I have to admit

            Jst a query though, in the book it states use lean cuts of meats etc, but on several recipes I see people eating bacon/pork etc and they arent what I'd consider lean meats, so are these ok to include daily?

            I am quite a fussy eater but i do love meat, so really want to try this way of living and see how/if I benefit

            I am just used to diets that require a certain amount of calories, from fats, protein and carbs, so trying to fully understand this diet, so I can get started, is there no need to count calories as long as carbs are in the right region?

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            • #7
              If you're buying grass-fed, fattier cuts are great. Grain-fed, you should avoid the fat-either buy leaner cuts, or just don't eat the fat.
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              • #8
                Carb sources, I use milk, potatoes, vegetables, and I put some sugar in my coffee in the morning, like The Great Mark Sisson.

                Post workout I'll down a gallon of milk.

                3. I have answered three in question 1, they are the same to me.

                Listen, I drink the milk because my goal is to become a beast monster, but this might not be your goal. Because milk is not really primal.

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                • #9
                  Thanks for the input, appreciate it

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                  • #10
                    Pototoes, sweet potatoes, yams, as much fruit as I can eat, full fat Greek yogurt, occasional raw milk, occasional white rice. I no longer buy most of the fruit arguments - that fruit today is sweeter than it was thousands of years ago, or that the fructose in the fruit has any real negative impact for HEALTHY people. I haven't seen/read anything to convince me that fruit promotes weight gain at all, even from K. Harris who often compares fruit to candy... personally, I'm not buying it. It's a whole food with a lot more than just sugar in it. If anyone has something worth reading to suggest otherwise let me know

                    PWO: shake with coconut milk, pineapple juice, pure whey, creatine. I've definitely gone back and forth on the issue of whey, but I'm now convinced it benefits me. I read enough science to convince me to give it a try. Since I started back on this PWO shake, I've noticed I don't get as sore after lifting heavy.
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                    Originally posted by dado View Post

                    Post workout I'll down a gallon of milk.
                    Not trying to hijack the thread here, but I'm curious how that's working out for you. I'm trying to gain and have thought about trying this exact thing. Not really GOMAD but just a gallon post workout.

                    Are you drinking a gallon of raw milk like the GOMAD guys recommend?

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                    • #11
                      Thanks for the above info
                      I'll stick to the whey protein, I like the stuff too much to give up and its an easy form of good protein.

                      I guess I asked these questions as, like always read conflicting info when it comes to this diet, some say no dairy, but he allows butter and cream and doesnt mention milk in the book, ther say no potatoes, yet others eat potatoes.

                      I think what I will probably do, is try sticking to this, and on one day of the week eat like a "cheat meal" as if I was on one of my regular diets, which would allow me some of the stuff I woldnt normally eat

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                      • #12
                        barryman9000,

                        yea, "GOMAD" will work like a charm for you. You'll get some ugly weight but you'll feed your muscles in the easiest way possible. You'll get strong.

                        The fat, this comes off easy later on, when you go strict primal.

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                        • #13
                          favorite carbs: veggies, coconut, and... (let this be my 20?) cocoa powder.. yes i eat quite a share of that stuff. yes it is a bean. and yes i probably do not see as much progress as i'd like because of it, so i'll probably remove it from the diet soon when I want a little more "oomph" in my progress.

                          i love veggies. some of the veggies I eat are the "well, is it a fruit or veggie" type-- tomatoes, cucumbers, squash (summer), etc. I just go by getting lots of colors and trying to listen to what my body craves when I'm in the produce section of the store which is never potatoes, for whatever reason. its definitely possible to get a good share of carbs from veggies... especially in a big complex salad.

                          don't know much about the GOMAD. there's a wealth of protein supplements out there though, whey is only one and it certainly is a well-known one. there's a website True Protein | High Quality Nutrition and Protein Supplements that lets you make your own "blend" using stuff like whey isolate, egg, beef... as custom as it comes! i've never tried it but always wanted to. might be an option for you?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by markfj View Post
                            Hi all, am new here

                            Ive joined, as I try to go to the gym regularly and have always looked at various diets in order to try and get lean, but maintain muscle

                            I heard about this site so decided to have a browse

                            Ive just got a couple of questions:

                            1. what carb sources do you guys use?
                            In every diet I have made for myself before I have always created a diet with what I had considered as generally accepted as "better carbs" i.e wholegrain breads, pasta, rice, oats etc, I see the book sort of dismesses most carbs in these forms, so which carbs do you use?

                            2. Pre/post workout meals
                            Similar to above, I understand following the primal regime is a low carb diet, so when working out I guess still is best to base carbs arounf workout times, so pre/post workout, is this correct and what carbs do you use in these meals

                            3. when the book states around 100-150g carbs, I am confused what the carb sources include, i.e is it fruits, fibrous veg? etc

                            Thanks!
                            My answers, but consider that I've always been active and lean and couldn't care less about macronutrient ratios.

                            1. Plantains, bananas, potatoes, turnips, carrots, fruits of all kinds, white rice once or twice a month. A lot of tubers overall.

                            2. I'm very active and low-carb doesn't work for me at all. It's a good reference for people who need to lose weight, but other than that, 20% carbs or 60% carbs doesn't make much of a difference if you feel you're thriving and if they're paleo carbs.

                            3. Everything with carbs counts.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by markfj View Post
                              some say no dairy, but he allows butter and cream and doesnt mention milk in the book, ther say no potatoes, yet others eat potatoes.

                              I think what I will probably do, is try sticking to this, and on one day of the week eat like a "cheat meal" as if I was on one of my regular diets, which would allow me some of the stuff I woldnt normally eat
                              Most people don't seem to have long term success with the cheat meals. That's totally anecdotal, but from what I can tell it keeps you thinking about things you can't eat. I had a lot of luck finding new foods that were so good I stopped thinking about the stuff I used to eat. I hadn't even thought about pizza in over a year until someone talked about getting one.

                              Regarding dairy, if I understand correctly the main issues are lactose and casein protein. People like Chris Kresser have recommended cutting dairy to allow your stomach to heal from the possible damage caused by casein - which can lead to leaky gut syndrome - then reintroducing it because of things like the healthy fats (CLA). Yes, dairy is a newer food but that doesn't always mean it's bad for us IMO. I might be misquoting but I think Kurt Harris said butter is the perfect food.

                              I still don't understand the potato argument. Yes its a starch/polysaccharide which means "many sugars" but a healthy body is going to treat a whole food very differently than a bag of processed, refined sugar. Same goes for fruit if you ask me.

                              Bottom line, like you said, is do what works best for you. Chances are what works best for you will be some version of a Paleo diet.

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