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  • More sugar, choc-choc's, bread, sugar & cereal please Mr Greedy Guts

    I having a real problem with sugar/refined carbs at the moment. The primal diet (NED) went really well for about three/four months then for the last six months I've been really struggling with sugar and refined carbs. The diets been very on and off, approximately four days on three days off every week. I can go a few days everything is fine and then I slip up and start on the sugar, but like ravenous for sugar. Really annoying. I'm bingeing very similar to an alcoholic, nightmare. And after I have a day on carbs it sets the tone for the next few days. I feel like a drug addict.

    Are there any supplements that may help me stop craving carbs?

    I'm gaining weight slowly but have managed to keep at a reasonable weight, but it is gradually creeping on again.

    My will power seems to be very weak. The weight training on the other-hand has been consistent and good. Diet is difficult!
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    Sorry, there's no magic pill to make addictions go away. Glutamine, chromium, 5-HTP, and sometimes a big dose of Vitamin C can help, but ultimately it comes down to you.

    As addictive as sugar is, I do think there's a psychological component that at least -begins- a sugar maelstrom. So, first spot check your life. As cheesy as this sounds, are you lacking sweetness in other areas of your life?

    There are a lot of ways people overcome sugar addictions. It really depends on you. Here are a few strategies -- the perfect fix for you really depends on your mindset, physiology, and whatever else scientists like to pathologize.

    1) Get back on good carbs. Carbs aren't bad -- it's refined junk and sugar that wreaks the real havoc. So indulge in yummy fruit, sweet potatoes, pumpkin, etc. Get your kicks on good stuff and soon refined sugar will start to taste like the acrid junk it is. You don't need a huge amount either. Just try adding like a sweet potato or a fruit to your meals. Plus, if you tell yourself your ALLOWED to have carbs, just good ones, eating cookies won't seem so "horribly but alluringly" attractive.

    2) Go cold turkey. Personally I don't find this works well in the long run, as it more just tacks a band-aid and I find the "rubber band snap" is pretty nasty. But some people find success with it. Basically, go low carb for awhile, stick it out, embrace the suckage, and eventually lose your desire for it.

    3) Wrangle your reptilian mind. Be MINDFUL. When you feel the urge, slow the fuck down. Think about it. If you take this cookie, you will have a momentary hit of pleasure. Then have you'll feel like crap. Keep on doing it and you'll get fat and have low-grade inflammation. Whereas if you say "screw the cookie," you'll be proud. In essence, work through your thoughts, RELAX (tension will make you more likely to hide in a sack of sugar), and reason out what you really want vs. what your childish side is crying for.

    4) This is in conjunction to the previous three. Expect that you won't be perfect. You may have a cookie. But don't fall into the "I fucked up so now I must EAT ALL THE THINGS" You can always stop eating -- one slip up doesn't justify another.
    Last edited by Phoenixflame; 11-01-2011, 09:18 AM.

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    • #3
      I'm annoyed at my lack of willpower at present... F*ck me, really annoying.
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      • #4
        It sounds like you're caught in some kind of low carb spiral. Your body may be the type that prefers to have a good bit of carbohydrate in it. If you're confusing Primal with low-carb and you're starving yourself of carbohydrate like most people do, your body may be revolting, and it'll build and explode in a sugar binge. Try eating a moderate carb Primal approach with regularly eating sweet potatoes, white potatoes, white rice, banana...an AWESOME stir-fry can be made with 1 sweet potato, 1 banana, 1 apple, kale or cabbage and fresh ginger and garlic in coconut oil. Simply including starch regularly may give your body the carbs it's desperately craving so it doesn't turn into a sugar binge. The funny thing is, avoiding starch can make your body crave sugar, but eating starch rarely seems to set most people off into a sugar binge. I've never had rice or potatoes set off my sweet tooth, but it can kill a craving of sweets...
        Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 11-01-2011, 10:06 AM.
        Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
          It sounds like you're caught in some kind of low carb spiral. Your body may be the type that prefers to have a good bit of carbohydrate in it. If you're confusing Primal with low-carb and you're starving yourself of carbohydrate like most people do, your body may be revolting, and it'll build and explode in a sugar binge. Try eating a moderate carb Primal approach with regularly eating sweet potatoes, white potatoes, white rice, banana...an AWESOME stir-fry can be made with 1 sweet potato, 1 banana, 1 apple, kale or cabbage and fresh ginger and garlic in coconut oil. Simply including starch regularly may give your body the carbs it's desperately craving so it doesn't turn into a sugar binge. The funny thing is, avoiding starch can make your body crave sugar, but eating starch rarely seems to set most people off into a sugar binge. I've never had rice or potatoes set off my sweet tooth, but it can kill a craving of sweets...
          This, +1

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          • #6
            No, I'm not confusing low carb and primal, but do crave sugary foods unfortunately.
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            • #7
              I did the same thing for years. Lost a lot on Atkins in the 90's, but couldn't kick the sugar habit. I hit rock-bottom, as they say, a few years ago...250lbs, pre-diabetic, gout, high bp, high trigs, high LDL, low HDL, sleep apnea, hypothyroid--full blown metabolic syndrome. I dieted, but still had a hard time with sugar. When I found PB last year it was a life-changer. I've now cut out all refined, processed foods and have no sugar cravings. My after dinner dessert is either frozen berries covered in coconut milk or a huge spoonful of coconut oil mixed with 100% bakers dark chocolate. Those two items cap off my eating for the night and I don't eat again until lunch the next day. By the way, I'm now at 172lbs, and take no medicine. haven't had gout in over a year.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by elliottsmith View Post
                No, I'm not confusing low carb and primal, but do crave sugary foods unfortunately.
                What do you usually eat in a day? How many calories? How much fat and protein? How many carbs? Do you avoid fruit and/or starches? What is your weight and approximate % body fat? How often do you exercise? What kind of exercises do you do?

                So many answers are needed to point you in the right direction.
                Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                • #9
                  First, I think before you try tightening and cleaning up your diet, you should be completely relaxed with it for a while. You can eat anything you want to eat, eating sugar is not 'wrong' and it does not make you weak. You may find that when nothing is off limits, you are much less interested in the things that used to be. And if you can eat sugar when you feel like eating it,

                  There are definitely psychological components to sugar cravings (which I think being relaxed with it can help to overcome) but certain supplements can help a lot. Magnesium deficiency can cause sugar cravings and the most likely reasons for it are not having enough in the diet and stress. Inositol can also help - it's usually used by people with insulin resistance, estrogen dominance, and related hormone imbalances .

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                  • #10
                    As someone who has struggled with carb-binges, I recommend adding more fat to your diet. I've found that more fat keeps me satiated AND kills my carb cravings. Eat more bacon and fatty meats! I've also found that trying to satisfy my sweet tooth with fruit or primal approved sweets is counter productive. If you give your sweet tooth what it wants then you're simply reinforcing the reaction. My advice is to stick it out for awhile, up your fat and eventually your cravings will go away.
                    Alex Peterson-
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                    Creator of The Whole Muscle Diet and the Whole Muscle Blog

                    www.wholemusclegains.com

                    The authority on nutrition for strength and lean mass gains without the use of supplements, meal-timing, or other unnecessary diet methods.

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                    • #11
                      THe only way to get those cravings down is to stop eating it 100% of the time for at least 3 weeks! Every time you indulge you will set yourself back. It's the only way I got mine down to barely noticeable. When I had just one cheat day a week I would crave it big time!! - I'm a recovering sugar addict myself.
                      Primal since March 2011

                      Female/29 years old/5' 1"/130ish lbs

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                      • #12
                        I'd have to disagree with there not being a psychological addiction going on. Sugar does induce a dopamine reaction..which that in itself is addictive. Just the thought of sour straws makes my mouth water, but at least I don't feel like I HAVE TO HAVE IT RIGHT NOW... ever again. Plus once you cut it out for a long period of time (longer the better) the more sensitive you become. Then when you do have it, it will literally make you feel ill. Ever had too much candy and feel sick? Same feeling, except now just once piece will do it. You will begin equating that feeling to that kinda food making it even less diserable and sometimes revolting (I actually refuse to eat brownies anymore!). You just have to hang in there and fight it like any other addicition its very hard at first but worth kicking in the end.
                        Primal since March 2011

                        Female/29 years old/5' 1"/130ish lbs

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                        • #13
                          I agree with eating more fat to cut cravings. I try to stop at Starbcuks and get a decaf with lots of heavy cream before shopping because it makes me resist urges to buy sweet things. I noticed more sweet things in my cart if I got shopping on an empty stomach.

                          Although I heard it's supposed to help I have been taking Chromium and I don't really see a difference.

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                          • #14
                            As someone who has struggled with binge eating (mostly of sugar) and has improved over the past couple of months, my experience has been that eating more fat and protein will make you feel full in a non-binge state, but it doesn't do much to keep the binge state from coming on, let alone make it go away. Especially fat. I don't find it satiating in the short term at all. I think that most people here have not been binge eaters, so they have a different idea of what 'compulsion' and 'cravings' mean with food.

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