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  • Those with a lot of weight to lose....

    How many carbs do you eat a day? Do they come from veggies, fruits, yogurt, cheese, starchy veggies, etc?

    Just to sum it up and make it short, I had lost 99 pounds once while doing Atkins-half assed... at that time I hated veggies and would eat meat, eggs, cheese and 20 grams of junk (chocolate, cakes, donuts, etc) in addition my chicken and cube steak was breaded, so was the mozzarella sticks and fish sandwhiches from McDonalds (yeah, I know not healthy...) this was back in 2003.... If you plug this in, way more than 20

    I lost again in 2008-2009 with the same idea... I tried Atkins, and ALWAYS cheated.... I could only handle 5, 6 days at most of 20 carbs from veggies and then I would just turn to Junk again - ice cream, cookies, chocolate, cereal, you name it.... I would always drop weight the next day, but if continued "binging" I would gain some, go back to the 20 carbs of veggies and repeat until I would be so down on myself for CHEATING that I just gave up and went for an all you can eat!!!! But overall a weight loss of about 85 pounds in a year!!!

    Again, day 5 of low carb (Primal) with fats, meat, and about 15-20 carbs in veggies .... again same thing... cheated last night with 2 bowels of cereal and lost a pound this morning!!! Why is this... Is this my body telling me FEED ME CARBS?????

    I know I read the weight loss range of carbs is 50-100, but is that even for people who have 200 pounds to lose?

    I have read from time to time about carb cycling... is that what my body wants...

    I just need someone to tell me it will be okay, just track what I eat and try it!

  • #2
    no unfortunately carb cycling for u is no good. its a mental game ur body is fighting right now. honestly ur going to have to be strong about the carbs. ur body is so used to eating that way, its going to WANT carbs all the time. i would do only 20g for a very short time, maybe 3 or 4 days. then go up to 50g. ive lost over 250lbs, wish i did it primaly but i went cold turkey on all refined carbs, i had to. do ur best, and remind urself this is for ur health and renew ur life. god bless u.
    "Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we often might win, by fearing to attempt." -- William Shakespeare

    my weight loss story...
    started @400+pounds
    CW: 191lbs 15%BF
    PB: 158lbs 10%BF 33in waist
    UD2(6 weeks): 168lbs 9%BF 31in waist
    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread39123.html

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    • #3
      Chochobo~ First, CONGRATS on such an amazing weight loss... Since you did cut out all refined carbs did you eliminate bread, grains, etc entirely? Could you give me an idea of what you did eat to lose the weight?

      Would you recommend the 50g of carbs being just from veggies or should it come from yogurt, fruit, nuts, etc as well?

      Thanks!

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      • #4
        Hi,

        I had 110 + to lose when I started. In your final response to your other thread, you said that you didn't know who to follow. Start by following Mark's advice on the carbohydrate curve. 50 - 150 gms of carb. Everything grain, legume and sugar free is on the menu. Try that for a while. You may just find that your body responds well. Everyone is different. If that does not cause weightloss, then do things like lower carbs below 50 or do the Leptin Reset.

        I average 100 carbs/day I eat 1-2 fruits and one complex carb like sweet potato every day. This is a permanent life change and your goal is to bring your body to optimal health. It is not a race to lose weight as much as we are dying to get skinny.

        Today:
        coffee w/ cream
        2 egg
        3 slices bacon
        peaches

        Chicken thigh
        med. sweet potato
        salad w/ o/v dressing

        6oz ground beef
        lettuce and tomato
        1 oz cheese

        after workout:
        52g whey protein drink
        banana
        Primal since 9/24/2010
        "Our greatest foes, and whom we must chiefly combat, are within." Miguel de Cervantes

        Created by MyFitnessPal.com - Free Weight Loss Tools
        MFP username: MDAPebbles67

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        • #5
          I did Atkins and lost, at first, then leveled off. I had only lost 20 pounds. So I decided to go Primal, lost nothing. then figured out I need to do a bit more (I have about 100 pounds to lose). So I found a book called S.P.E.E.D. It incorporates primal eating with scientifically proven methods to help in your journey to weight loss.

          Specifically regarding carbs, they advocate a low carb diet. But 20 is really considered Very Low Carb and would be hard to maintain, especially if you are not doing net carbs (carb grams minus fiber grams). I actually do better with weight loss when my Net Carbs are around 35 to 50, which is usually about 60 to 70 if you don't do net.

          I just never got over the carb flu and felt like crap for months, till I added in more carbs (in the form of more veggies) I don't do any grains or sugar, so I would not do cereal unless it was my homemade (grainless) granola.

          if you are interested, the website for the book is S.P.E.E.D. - Evidence Based Weight Loss Good Luck.

          One thing I would tell you is that I had to stop thinking of this as a diet and the book really helped me to incorporate this into all aspects of my life.
          Chris
          "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
          Unknown

          My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

          My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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          • #6
            thank you. yes u gotta cut out all grains. problem is "whole grains" its actually high in the GI which breaks down into sugar other than it being bad for inflammation too. and u dont need that. problem with nuts its highly calorie dense so u have to be careful with that. fruit is high in carbs one apple will give u roughly 18g. i would track ur food intake for awhile with fitday.com. just so u can see what ur consuming everyday. once u get passed the sugar craze it will get easier trust me. how much do u weigh if u dont mind me asking and how much are u trying to lose.
            "Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we often might win, by fearing to attempt." -- William Shakespeare

            my weight loss story...
            started @400+pounds
            CW: 191lbs 15%BF
            PB: 158lbs 10%BF 33in waist
            UD2(6 weeks): 168lbs 9%BF 31in waist
            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread39123.html

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            • #7
              p.s. go with what Pebbles says, it is successful.
              Chris
              "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
              Unknown

              My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

              My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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              • #8
                I started out with 100+ lbs to lose, I've lost 60 lbs. Right now pretty low carb is working for me. I've been listening to my body, it is happier low carb. I notice when I eat too many veg it causes cravings. I do a wee bit of carb cycling. I recommend listening to what healthy choice sounds good to you and ignore unhealthy cravings. I eat potatoes and coconut milk ice cream as indulgences and I'm still losing. AND I don't feel deprived. I would feel that way if I didn't have potatoes and chocolate.
                It takes a while to figure out what's gonna work for you, everybody's different. Try different combos and see what you feel best at

                example
                day one
                Sausage or bacon and eggs
                steak and creamed spinach

                day two
                hard boiled eggs and pepperoni sticks
                taco salad and roasted potatoes
                homemade chili

                day three
                kombucha and beef jerky
                salad from work with ranch and chicken strips
                leftovers (chicken francese or roast beef, green beans with cream and butter)
                1/4 - 1/2 cup coconut milk ice cream
                Last edited by NurseMama5; 10-27-2011, 11:02 AM.
                "I tried to call the nurse again, but she's bein' a little bitch....I think I'll get outta here." Pink

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by goin2befit View Post
                  I have read from time to time about carb cycling... is that what my body wants...

                  I just need someone to tell me it will be okay, just track what I eat and try it!
                  My advice has nothing to do with primal living and it actually goes against it but you could achieve a weight loss success with carb cycling under one very important condition: regular strength training. Before I went primal, I was on a so called targeted keto diet. I ate low-carb throughout the day but before the gym I consumed up to 40 g of carbs and up to 40 g right after. So roughly 3 times a week I added 80 g of carbs to my daily 30 g allowance.

                  I was in constant ketosis no matter what time of the day and if I had carbs or not. But it was only possible because of strict gym regimen. I wasn't overweight to begin with but I still lost most of the "stubborn" fat this way dropping from 190 to 170 in about 3 months, while maintaining strength.

                  There's also another method called cyclic keto diet, in which one consumes low-carb between Sunday morning to Friday morning, and then refeeds on carbs most of Friday and Saturday. In this case strict and regular strength training is necessary to benefit from it.

                  I've seen many examples of both of those approaches working wonders but only for those who worked out on regular basis, and worked out very hard. It all comes down to depleting the glucose stores by regular physical activity.
                  Primal Matrix - primal/paleo news feeds aggregator
                  LowCarbFlix - carb free videos

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by goin2befit View Post
                    How many carbs do you eat a day? Do they come from veggies, fruits, yogurt, cheese, starchy veggies, etc?

                    I know I read the weight loss range of carbs is 50-100, but is that even for people who have 200 pounds to lose?

                    I have read from time to time about carb cycling... is that what my body wants...

                    I just need someone to tell me it will be okay, just track what I eat and try it!
                    IMO shooting for 50g (or any specific figure in grams really) makes way less sense for those with hundreds of pounds to lose than it does for less obese people & those merely overweight

                    Anyone with +150lbs of excess bodyfat has significantly higher maitanince caloric requirements than someone with under 100 to lose, as such they've got far more room to work with when determining food intake. Shooting for 50g net carbs would leave me getting under 8% calories from carbs. Even a cheat with 2 bowls of cereal/milk would likely still leave you under 12% calories from carb for the day, it doesn't surprise me that your still dropping weight.

                    IMO your body IS screaming "gimme more carbs", but you'd be best answering the call with plenty of vegetables & mebbe some fruit rather than cheats. Try ~100g of carbs from veggies for awhile, see how it affects your fat loss?
                    Last edited by Fury; 10-27-2011, 11:46 AM.

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                    • #11
                      the problem is tho when ur that overweight ur leptin is totally jacked up. limiting carbs in very beneficial. calories from carbs are not important in this stage of his life. he can easily get his calories from fat and protein.
                      "Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we often might win, by fearing to attempt." -- William Shakespeare

                      my weight loss story...
                      started @400+pounds
                      CW: 191lbs 15%BF
                      PB: 158lbs 10%BF 33in waist
                      UD2(6 weeks): 168lbs 9%BF 31in waist
                      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread39123.html

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Chochobo View Post
                        the problem is tho when ur that overweight ur leptin is totally jacked up. limiting carbs in very beneficial. calories from carbs are not important in this stage of his life. he can easily get his calories from fat and protein.
                        In general I agree, however my point was that "limiting carbs" can mean very different things when comparing the diets of say....
                        a 200lb man vs that of a 360lb man of similar height

                        Both may need to limit their carbs to some extent, but giving them both the same grams of carbs target seems foolish when one has maintenance caloric needs +60% higher than the other.

                        Numbers that work for considerably smaller people may not ideal for the very obese, it takes experimentation to know what will work for each person's situation.
                        Last edited by Fury; 10-27-2011, 12:36 PM.

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                        • #13
                          i agree to some extent as well, but when i lost my weight was because of calorie restriction/activity. i was over 400 pounds. my calories intake was 1500. even tho it wasnt a good idea i even did a few of 1000 calories. i lost 180pounds in one year. if i knew about weight loss as i do now it would have been a hell of alot healthier with me being primal. but then again its always about the persons situation. i was highly dedicated and motivated to lose weight.
                          "Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we often might win, by fearing to attempt." -- William Shakespeare

                          my weight loss story...
                          started @400+pounds
                          CW: 191lbs 15%BF
                          PB: 158lbs 10%BF 33in waist
                          UD2(6 weeks): 168lbs 9%BF 31in waist
                          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread39123.html

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                          • #14
                            I know what you're going through. I started this journey at 300 lbs. I'm a large framed guy. 8 1/2 inch wrists. I want to get to around 220. I'm currently right under 250 (started in April). I love it, the food is great. What we need to know to really succeed is the science behind it. Mainly insulin.

                            When I first started it was hard to avoid the bad stuff (cakes, ice cream, cookies) and I cheated probably once every 8 days and still saw a bit of weight loss. About 20 lbs, similar to your atkins days. When you understand the science though and you realize that when you trigger the rush of insulin in your body you are basically forcing your body to store all that sugar (carbs) in your fat cells. They expand, we get heavier.

                            Now I eat 2 meals a day. I eat large meals but I avoid sugar at all costs (I still cheat maybe once a month or 6 weeks) When I say avoid sugar, I mean all of it. Fruit has to go as well, even berries. You can eat fruit again (it is great for you) once you get to your goal weight. All you are doing is producing insulin at that point by consuming fruit, especially starch based ones like bananas.

                            Go for half plate of veggies, half plate of chicken, pork, beef, or fish. Eat until you are full and don't eat again until you are hungry. Hungry before your next meal? Eat some more meat, maybe 2-3 oz ground beef. Avoid Dairy like the plague, it will keep you from losing weight. A little heavy cream is okay in your coffee (no sugar/sweetners)

                            I'd also recommend Chromium Picolinate for a supplement. I got a bottle of 100 caps for only 2.99 at Whole Foods, their brand. I take 2 with my first meal (I don't take daily, maybe 3-4 times weekly) and it helps tremendously with sugar/carb cravings. I could go forever without cheating on this stuff but I like cake, and want to have some once in a blue moon.

                            Stay strong. Stay Primal. It works. Atkins didn't work for me (their marketed products are garbage). I went Primal and lost another 30. I even stepped on the scale yesterday and was 5lbs less than a week ago.

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                            • #15
                              I think it's a mistake to go Atkin carb levels. Too many folks lose and then gain when they go back to carbs. Instead eat MDA level carbs. You could also incorporate a few VLC days within the week - you don't have to eat the same amount of carbs everyday.

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