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    Alright. I have done some reading and it's not all "drink the coolaid" out there for Paleo/Primal. I would like to know if there are people that it hasn't worked, it hasn't cured diabetes, heart disease.

    Did you follow PB very closely? Did you go VLC and lose weight?

    Is there anyone here that it hasn't worked?

    I really am curious are we flying in the face of CW and the SAD that my father, the doctor preached for years (before he passed from congestive heart failure)?
    The eyes of all hope in thee, O Lord: and thou givest them meat in due season.
    Psalms 144:15

    Annie Sires

    Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought.
    Pope John Paul II

  • #2
    I've wondered this exact same thing - if this doesn't work, if this isn't the way we should all be eating (the royal We for humanity), where are those that stay fat, high cholesterol-riddled, and chronically fatigued who've tried it? Interested to hear from other folks on this.

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    • #3
      I'd assume that the people for whom it hasn't worked left the board ;-)

      Well, our results aren't perfect. My husband saw great changes in his diabetes within weeks, but it only budged his blood pressure a little down and he's still on two meds for that. I had a great reduction in blood pressure and I was disappointed that he only had a small one.

      Probably not exactly what you want, but it's something, lol! Overall I'm thrilled with the results we've both had, but I do wish his blood pressure had gone down more like it does for some. For him though, maybe it will come with more weight loss.

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      • #4
        haha and my boyfriend saw amazing changes in his blood pressure! He was on the high end and had been his whole life and within 6 months of Paleo he is now on the low end. And we use a lot of salt(CW myth it chronically raises blood pressure?), so that shows it is different for everyone. My blood pressure was almost too low, my hands and feet always cold before I started, now I'm in the perfect blood pressure range and don't have the coldness. It brought us both to a pleasant homeostasis.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by m e g a n foxy View Post
          haha and my boyfriend saw amazing changes in his blood pressure! He was on the high end and had been his whole life and within 6 months of Paleo he is now on the low end. And we use a lot of salt(CW myth it chronically raises blood pressure?), so that shows it is different for everyone. My blood pressure was almost too low, my hands and feet always cold before I started, now I'm in the perfect blood pressure range and don't have the coldness. It brought us both to a pleasant homeostasis.
          Yes salt is a CW myth.

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          • #6
            What do you mean by "hasn't worked"? Just because a certain way of eating hasn't solved a specific disease doesn't mean it's not the best diet. Eating the way your body has evolved to eat will have positive effects on your body. And although these effects are usually visible, them not being visible doesn't mean the diet "isn't working".

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bosnic View Post
              What do you mean by "hasn't worked"? Just because a certain way of eating hasn't solved a specific disease doesn't mean it's not the best diet. Eating the way your body has evolved to eat will have positive effects on your body. And although these effects are usually visible, them not being visible doesn't mean the diet "isn't working".
              I agree. I have to scratch my head at folks who think eating whole, unprocessed foods "wouldn't work." Yeah, crap out of a box or can is probably MUCH better.

              I also think people expect too much...a la the "I've been eating a shit diet for decades but have been eating primal for a week and I still have high blood pressure, it's not working!"
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              • #8
                Originally posted by sires6 View Post
                Alright. I have done some reading and it's not all "drink the coolaid" out there for Paleo/Primal. I would like to know if there are people that it hasn't worked, it hasn't cured diabetes, heart disease.

                Did you follow PB very closely? Did you go VLC and lose weight?

                Is there anyone here that it hasn't worked?

                I really am curious are we flying in the face of CW and the SAD that my father, the doctor preached for years (before he passed from congestive heart failure)?
                I am pretty sure that you will probably have to go on nutrition forums not on primal/paleo sites to find people it doesn't work for. But trust me, there are a lot out there.

                Paleo didn't work for me because I couldn't stick to it. Grains are too delicious to give up.
                Last edited by jimhensen; 10-25-2011, 09:53 AM.

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                • #9
                  I couldn't do Paleo, it seems overly restrictive. But I can do the primal lifestyle. I am not sure what you mean by "worked" some people are looking for a LOT of weight loss... I haven't had that. But I have increased energy, kicked my Claritan D habit, have no indigestion and most importantly... can stick to this for the long term... that is success for me...
                  Have high hopes that journaling can keep me on track: www.southerndink.com If you are on twitter hit me up so we can keep each other motivated: http://twitter.com/SouthernDink

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                  • #10
                    What I meant is that there is still CW out there, and good info, that questions whether this is a workable solution or not. Now, I don't get all my info from Wiki, but there is some info here: Paleolithic diet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and it clearly calls into question as to whether the Paleo diet is the right one for overall health, wellness and lifestyle. Now, having said that, I know that there is a difference between Paleo and Primal... mostly milk and the allowance of tubers. Knowing that some carbs are necessary hits straight at some of the questions arising on the Wiki. One of the admitted problems is cost. Cereal is the food of the poor. So, how does that fit into the thoughts of rich, white, Americans which is a huge portion of computer users and probably a large section of the "audience" of MDA?

                    I used to be "it's this" or "it's that" kind of gal, (vegetarian is THE way to go because it's better for us, but low glycemic, and you should soak your grains before you use them and... you get the drill) but I am older now and realize that there is truth in everything in moderation. I also realize that for most of my life I have been plugged a load of hoohey and want to "clear away the chaff."

                    So, having dieted and been a vegetarian and a doctor's daughter, well, I need to hear it from some of the folks here, the good and the bad, the right and the wrong.

                    I don't always pay attention to studies, because, as all of us here know, studies are fudged all the time. I hate that, but I am a firm believer of the truth in enough subjective responses to be objective.

                    Fair enough?
                    The eyes of all hope in thee, O Lord: and thou givest them meat in due season.
                    Psalms 144:15

                    Annie Sires

                    Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought.
                    Pope John Paul II

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                    • #11
                      For me (note, I said for ME), going primal was not enough to lose weight. I had to also restrict calories. Now...I have been at this exact level of caloric restriction in the recent past and it did not work, so it is the combo of primal and slight restrictions that work for me. It actually brought down my blood pressure, and got rid of joint pains, it did not solve my iron deficiency anemia (weird). It is not magic, but, how can eating real food to the best of our ability not be better than eating processed foods, even if it won't get someone out of a wheelchair and walking again (ie. not every ailment/disease is caused by diet and therefore they can't all be solved by diet), it has to be a healthier option that eating factory made food.
                      Chris
                      "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It is about learning to dance in the rain."
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                      My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread36279.html

                      My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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                      • #12
                        +1 demuralist!
                        Height - 5'8"
                        SW - 191
                        CW - 162
                        GW - 155

                        Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.

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                        • #13
                          Sorry, another success story here. Broke my plateau, lost joint pain, lost allergies, never fart anymore, cravings gone and/or moderated.

                          BUT, my blood pressure was a little high at last check-up. Granted, it was at work, and I basically had to sprint to the exam. Unfortunately, my cholesterol was pretty much perfect. Around 240 total (fine for us in the know, pill-worthy for CW), but the ratios were great. But my feet are still deformed, I'm still a little dysmorphic (5'9", wearing size 12 shoes, crazy big hands, too!), and my mind still races sometimes. But I'd never go back by choice to eating macaroni and cheese and spaghetti for dinner.
                          Crohn's, doing SCD

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                          • #14
                            I'd say I fall into the category of "hasn't worked". At least not as well as I hoped it would. I have been Paleo (with occasional dairy) for about 18 months. It has helped with some of my minor symptoms, like skin issues and canker sores. But, I haven't had any improvement in my worst symptoms (allergies, asthma, digestive issues and fatigue). Honestly, I think the little improvements are just from learning to eat real food, whatever type it is.

                            Currently, I am going down the autoimmune path, since it seems likely that I have some issues there. Although, tests haven't found anything. I just started 30 days of no grains, no dairy, no legumes, no nuts, no eggs and no nightshades. Hopefully, I will see some improvement from it.

                            -Bryan

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                            • #15
                              17 Reasons You’re Not Losing Weight | Mark's Daily Apple

                              When someone says the "did Primal" and it didn't work, it is usually for one or more of these reasons.

                              And BTW Demuralist, PB has gotten some people out of wheelchairs actually. I'm thinking of Griff. I miss him.
                              Last edited by Paleobird; 10-25-2011, 01:38 PM.

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