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  • Velvet Antler Spray/ IGF-1

    What do you guys think of the health benefits of this? Does anyone supplement with this? Has anyone ever benefited from it? Here is a review I found.

    Velvet Antler vs. Synthetic IGF-1 and other Hormones - YouTube
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    Eating deer antler. Okay. I suppose it wouldn't hurt you but what would it do for you that a good bone broth wouldn't?

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    • #3
      I think it would be more primal if you went out into the forest and wrestled a deer to the ground and gnawed on its antlers.
      Nutrition and exercise in one.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Blackbird View Post
        I think it would be more primal if you went out into the forest and wrestled a deer to the ground and gnawed on its antlers.
        Nutrition and exercise in one.
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        • #5
          It has been banned by MLB.

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          • #6
            ^On what grounds?

            I am very interested in this stuff, but likely for different reasons than the OP. I have bigger financial priorities right now, but deer/elk velvet antler is "on the list." I believe I've found the highest quality product out there, but I'm curious what brand the OP is looking at. I hope you're not considering synthetic.
            "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Blackbird View Post
              I think it would be more primal if you went out into the forest and wrestled a deer to the ground and gnawed on its antlers.
              Nutrition and exercise in one.
              Chortle, chortle, chortle..... Thanks, Blackbird.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TigerLily View Post
                ^On what grounds?

                I am very interested in this stuff, but likely for different reasons than the OP. I have bigger financial priorities right now, but deer/elk velvet antler is "on the list." I believe I've found the highest quality product out there, but I'm curious what brand the OP is looking at. I hope you're not considering synthetic.
                The MLB banned it not because of its "anabolic potential", but because they think the ingrediants in it are unhealthy for their players. In that case ban alchohol, cigs, and whatever else lol. I probably will not be trying this anytime soon, basically because I believe it's 90% puffery. If it were so healthy than millions of people would already take it and all of them would be "yoked." lol When/If i ever do try it out, I will be sure not to purchase a synthetic version due to the imbalances it causes in ones body.
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                • #9
                  Well, it has been used for thousands of years in Asia already. I don't know if "millions" of people have taken it in that time. I give much credence to TCM -- Traditional Chinese Medicine -- where deer antler velvet has long been a powerhouse. But your feelings about TCM might differ.

                  I tend to view such things via an economics lens. If it were crap or snake oil, sure, some people would get suckered into giving it a go once, but they would never buy it again and they would tell their friends not to bother and there would be a lot of negative comments on the 'net. But I'm not seeing that with this; quite the opposite, in fact.

                  Anyway, I AM going to do this and will report back my results, either way. Since I am interested in it for its regenerative properties for the skin, my results (if any) will be visible via before/after photos.

                  The brand I'll be taking is Surthrival. This is Daniel Vitalis' company. The other product Surthrival is known for is super high-grade bovine colostrum, and that has done/is doing everything Vitalis said it would.
                  "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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                  • #10
                    Nobody had answered my question yet. Deer antler is basically deer bone right? So there is probably lots of good calcium and other minerals in it but why the antlers specifically? Why not a nice pot of venison bone broth?

                    As to TCM, that can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. Some of it I consider to be very valid. But it was also TCM saying that ground up horns from many of the now endangered species of the world would give a guy a boner that made those species endangered.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                      Nobody had answered my question yet. Deer antler is basically deer bone right? So there is probably lots of good calcium and other minerals in it but why the antlers specifically? Why not a nice pot of venison bone broth?

                      As to TCM, that can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. Some of it I consider to be very valid. But it was also TCM saying that ground up horns from many of the now endangered species of the world would give a guy a boner that made those species endangered.
                      Antler velvet is actually a fast growing highly vascularized tissue that grows on top of the antlers each year and is distinct from the antler itself. I think these powders contain the whole antler as well as the velvet. However, unlike horns where the animals are killed to obtain them, antlers grow back each year and should be a renewable resource. Because of the rapid growth they contain more growth hormones than just bone would have:

                      White-tailed deer antler growth and physiology: Whitetail Stewards Inc.
                      Annual antler development
                      Spring/Summer - Annually, deer antler growth begins nationwide between mid-March and early-April. In response to changes in photoperiod, growth hormones from the pituitary gland trigger the release of Insulin-like Growth Factor (IGF), which stimulates antler growth. During this time, the soft growing antler is covered with hairy skin, called "velvet". When antlers are in the velvet stage they are full of thousands of blood vessels, cartilage and nervous tissue. Growth of antlers is very rapid, and some deer species are capable of growing nearly 1 inch of antler per day.
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                      • #12
                        So you take the hormones that are designed to make a ruminant's antlers grow, grind them up with some mineral rich antler powder (bone), put it in a capsule of some sort, ingest and process it through the human digestive system, and this is supposed to do what exactly for the human body? Is it going to make me taller? I'm not sure I want to grow antlers.

                        I can see the mineral rich supplementation properties perhaps but I don't think that hormones can make it through that sort of a processing to transfer between species. Smells like snake oil to me.

                        Yes, I know the difference between horns and antlers. I was just questioning the TCM uses it so it must be cool principle.
                        Last edited by Paleobird; 10-23-2011, 09:00 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                          Nobody had answered my question yet. Deer antler is basically deer bone right? So there is probably lots of good calcium and other minerals in it but why the antlers specifically? Why not a nice pot of venison bone broth?

                          As to TCM, that can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. Some of it I consider to be very valid. But it was also TCM saying that ground up horns from many of the now endangered species of the world would give a guy a boner that made those species endangered.
                          Well Ms. Paleobird, I like your logic, but its not the calcium we are after. Every year a deer loses it's horns and grows a new rack. They grow it relatively quickly. The velvet covers the antlers until they grow full again. It's soft like velvet. It acts almost like an organ supplying the antlers with nutrients it needs to grow strong and quick. The velvet contains a very potent ingrediant called IGF-1(Insulin like growth factor 1) that is said to be almost like a fountain of youth. Look it up! lol
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cruncan View Post
                            Well Ms. Paleobird, I like your logic, but its not the calcium we are after. Every year a deer loses it's horns and grows a new rack. They grow it relatively quickly. The velvet covers the antlers until they grow full again. It's soft like velvet. It acts almost like an organ supplying the antlers with nutrients it needs to grow strong and quick. The velvet contains a very potent ingrediant called IGF-1(Insulin like growth factor 1) that is said to be almost like a fountain of youth. Look it up! lol
                            I don't have to look it up. lol. I know what IGF-1 is. What I am questioning is if such a substance can be processed and ingested into a completely different species and still do any good. It was designed for a specific purpose, to make antlers grow on a deer. It is being used to make everything grow and feel good on a human being. That's a big leap. The fact that it is "said to be almost the fountain of youth" makes it only look more snake oily to me.

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                            • #15
                              High-quality velvet antler is not ingested and totally bypasses the digestive system as it's either taken sublingually or transdermally. Even still, the cheap stuff in capsule form on Amazon has some pretty remarkable reviews.

                              The high-quality product does not use any bone; only the tips are harvested.

                              Why would you question cross-species benefit yet not question that bone broth and bone marrow and offal are beneficial to humans? You eat that. There are many, many animal products that we extract from and benefit from. Does taking Premarin, which is extracted from pregnant mares, make you pregnant? That's the exact line of logic you used above, and you're just being silly. I don't think you're truly interested in learning about this; I think you're just being argumentative. So why should I give this more of my time or energy?

                              For anyone who is actually genuinely interested, there is TON of info about deer velvet antler online.
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