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  • #46
    al09 - Yes that "checking out" is so common. I did that too. And now when I find myself in a "trance" for any reason (other than therapy) I try to snap out of it right away. You trance and binge and purge as a way to medicate something or delay something, etc (who knows really). A good therapist is going to be able to get under that trance and really see what is going on to help you. Continue to see a therapist, if yours is not working, get a new one. I went to 5 before I found my right one.

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    • #47
      Another thing about therapists- if you can get reccomendations, it helps. I found my very best through a therapist I went to church with. Obviously, the one I went to church with couldn't work with me, but she understood the mindset of that group of people and happened to have a collegue who suited it. If you have any hobbies/pastimes that speak to your soul, maybe someone else with the same pastime could help you look. (assuming, of course, that you're not already working with one that clicks)
      http://cattaillady.com/ My blog exploring the beginning stages of learning how to homestead. With the occasional rant.

      Originally Posted by TheFastCat: Less is more more or less

      And now I have an Etsy store: CattailsandCalendula

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      • #48
        I don't wish to discount anybody else's recovery; I'm just telling my experience here.

        I found therapy to be 98% useless. Makes sense, if you fall into the "this is biochemical" camp, as I do. By all means, if you're getting relief with your therapist, then stick with it. But I wasn't, was still bingeing my brains out and had a hard time affording $150 a session .... because I was bingeing my brains out (ain't cheap). Looking back on it all, I should have cut my losses and stopped going long before I did and used all that money on massage, yoga classes, essential oils, and 5-HTP. Edit to add: One thing, though: if you ARE going to go to a therapist, please go to a proper eating disorder therapist, not just a generalist.

        What really began the turnaround for me was the amino acid therapy to correct my brain chemistry (see other thread) and beginning a lot of body work (such as massage). I've recently started acupuncture, and it is blowing my mind and changing my life. If you'll look at the to-do list I posted yesterday, you'll note that a lot of things there are PHYSICAL -- either moving your body in a loving, relaxing way (walking out amongst nature, yoga, etc. [and I forgot to include it yesterday, but I will include dance here, too]) or some sort of body work.

        How massage affects the body:
        http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/21/he...mens.html?_r=1

        Using acupuncture (and Traditional Chinese Medicine) to treat bulimia:
        https://www.acufinder.com/Acupunctur...inese+Medicine

        Here is a Portland acupuncturist who is herself a recovered bulimic who is having success treating it (and BED) using a combination of acupuncture, TCM, movement, essential oils (which ROCK and I use), etc.:
        Portland Traditional Acupuncture Bulimia

        (Maybe you can find someone doing similar work local to you?)

        It's such a sad, terrible thing to acknowledge, but bingeing is an act of violence against ourselves. There's a lot of physical buildup (grief, anger, shame) that needs to be released. IME, just talking it out doesn't do that.

        I hope this is helpful in some way to someone out there. Take what you want; leave the rest. Other than one dark, brief blip (when I was off my 5-HTP and AA complex (dumb!), someone close to me had died, and I was injured and in pain and, thus, not sleeping well and unable to exercise at all), I've been binge-free for something like 16-17? months now. It is a miracle. I think the way to recover from this is a layering of multiple techniques; just one tactic (one pill, one therapist, a yoga class) is insufficient.

        Love,
        Ginger
        Last edited by TigerLily; 11-04-2011, 12:33 PM.
        "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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        • #49
          TigerLily- (love your name, btw) you're right that if it's biochemical then talking doesn't help much. I've had good therapists and ones that I qualified as dangerously bad. The good one didn't just let me talk. She gave me homework. She pushed me and expected me to work. The best of the worst were the "That's interesting . . . mmmm . . . so tell me about your childhood . . . " kind.

          The hard part with mental/emotional issues is that it can be hard to separate what is biochemical and what is habit. I am loving what the supplements are doing for my biochemical issues. However, I'm still left with the habits of just plopping in front of the tv or not going for a walk/going out even though I have the energy to do so.

          I'm not saying you're wrong- clearly, you figured out what worked for you!- but therapy is one of those things that I see denigrated because there are some really lousy ones out there. I just wanted to put in my $.02 that it's not always useless.

          17 months binge-free? Awesome!
          http://cattaillady.com/ My blog exploring the beginning stages of learning how to homestead. With the occasional rant.

          Originally Posted by TheFastCat: Less is more more or less

          And now I have an Etsy store: CattailsandCalendula

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          • #50
            Originally posted by drssgchic View Post

            The hard part with mental/emotional issues is that it can be hard to separate what is biochemical and what is habit. I am loving what the supplements are doing for my biochemical issues. However, I'm still left with the habits of just plopping in front of the tv or not going for a walk/going out even though I have the energy to do so.
            I totally agree with you, and I'm still dealing with the emotional part myself. In my case, I would say my disease is probably 80% biochemical and 20% conditioning/childhood/habit. Even when the aminos are coursing through my body and the serotonin and dopamine are firing fully and I'm moving my body and all the rest, I *still* (!) use food as love/reward. I was raised that way and I've been doing that for so long as an adult, it can be hard to break. A lot of it is just habit. But I'd like to think I'm self-aware enough (? -- HA!) that I know when I'm using food to soothe myself or giving food to show that I care for someone. I can call myself on my own bullshit.
            "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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            • #51
              ^Completely agree about the biochemical stuff you are bringing up. but I do think therapy can be valuable for those emotional links/triggers as well. Only recently (actually this thread reminded me) that food should not have an emotional connection. Well, it can, anything can, but there's no reason why I should feel bad for declining cake that my boyfriend made for me, for a silly example. It was a wonderful thought, but I can't eat it and he probably should have taken that into account and/or asked first!

              TigerLily, are you following the AA complex according to Depression-Free Naturally or Mood Cure, or something else? Just curious because your recovery sounds much like what I am aiming for and trying to do with the help of 5-HTP (and getting the F off Lexapro) among other supplements.
              Depression Lies

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              • #52
                I have read The Mood Cure and The Diet Cure, but I have not read Depression-Free Naturally. I've been getting great results just from Nature's Way brand 5-HTP plus a general amino acid complex (sort of like a multivitamin) that has all the aminos except for L-tryptophan, which I get from Whole Foods. (I've looked online for something more economical than Whole Paycheck, but have not been able to find anything that's equivalent.) I don't use all the separate bottles/doses of this and that that Ross recommends.
                "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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                • #53
                  I just wrote a long response and it got deleted. SO frustrating!!!! I'll try to re-cap:

                  Right now I think the therapy is helping me. It's not totally focused on my ED, but it's helping me work through some other issues. I like being able to hear a different perspective. I'm not really happy with my living situation right now, and I'm usually pretty lonely/isolated, so it's nice to have that dialogue and hear feedback from someone else besides myself....if that makes sense. I would like to focus more on the ED, and I think that I will say something soon if that doesn't happen.

                  TigerLily-I like your ideas about incorporating more body work into my attempt at recovery. I've been wanting to get a massage forever, but as a broke grad student I have a really hard time justifying spending money on that kind of thing when I don't have much to begin with. I think I'll looking into the oils as well. Thanks for all your tips.

                  Today has been kind of hard for me. I felt that "trance" or "checking out" feeling come on pretty strong earlier.....i usually refer to it as my "crazy brain". I was actually able to get through it though. It started because I ate more coconut butter than I had wanted too (that stuff is kind of like crack for me), and I was feeling bad about it. The situation could have definitely spiraled into full-binge mode, but i was able to stop and leave. I went to the store, then took a walk with a friend. I feel much better now. This was the first time I've been able to stop before it was too late. That makes me happy, but I'm still apprehensive....it's like I don't trust myself yet. Oh I also took some l-glutamine so I think that helped as well.

                  Last thing- I'm not the sappy type, but I wanted to say that I also think this forum and the support I've found here has really helped me already. It feels silly to admit that because this isn't "real" and I don't really know all of you, but your support and advice has really given me some extra strength and made me feel less isolated in this process, so thank you *end sappiness*

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                  • #54
                    Glad you feel better and you were able to fight off the binge-mode! I definitely think of my depressed brain as my "crazy brain" too. Also, don't forget we are real people on the other end of the text! I am sure I speak for others when I say that we are happy that our experiences can be of help to you.
                    Depression Lies

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                    • #55
                      Sap away! We're the sappiest hunter-gatherers on the entire internet.

                      How are things today, al09? Progress, not perfection....
                      "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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                      • #56
                        Last night was terrible. I was no longer able to ward off the "feelings" and found myself binging and purging. ugh. I was so close. So of course I felt like crap today....tired, unmotivated, totally blank. I am so sick and tired of this. I don't ever want to do this again. EVER. So why does it keep happening?

                        I've decided to start a journal thread, it seems like a more appropriate place for all of this.

                        namelesswonder- of course I know you're all real people, I didn't mean that in a bad way, it's just that this online/forum business is all new to me

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                        • #57
                          Do you mean that you should NOT be eating Paloe or anything different IF you arfe struggling with an Eating Disorder? Or are you referring to Medications in stead of Dietary guidelines?

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                          • #58
                            What about Anorexia Nervosa? I hear so much discussions on Bulimia, but nothing on Anorexia??

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                            • #59
                              Your ADVICE IS INCREDIBLE. I LOVE IT. I've been Anorexic for 30 years and ALL you said is right on. Being Anorexic, food is still my Idol. I keep it close in mind, so my mind can NOT feel, focus, on anything to do with Life. I have recently been diagnosed with Pre Diabetes, which TOTALLY SET ME OFF TO SEARCH FOR ANY FIX, FOOD PROGRAM, ETC. Come to find out after 4 months, I have Very Low Blood Sugars, who Spike when I eat. Totally different. So these past months, I have just KNOWN, If I can eat Primal, Atkins, low Carb, I CAN FEEL BETTER. Been at Atkins plan before in my Life, crazy food plans, JUST KNOWING THAT WILL FIX THE MENTAL, WHICH IS THE WHOLE THING. I have told myself, I NEED to DELETE THE EMAILS, POSTS FROM ANYONE I RECEIVE LOW CARB INFORMATION FROM. BUT I KEEP THEM COMING, JUST IN CASE I SEE SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP ME. I suffer from Depression, OCD, and Anxiety Disorders which Food Focus takes me out of Reality. I do believe I have ADHD going on as well, which is ALL Medical terms for something is Not right Deep Inside. I know that inside, but when the pain gets too bad, I want an Outside fix. Thanks again for sharing what you believe, as it has told me once again. STOP THE MADNESS.

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                              • #60
                                tinatamy- I've found that sticking to Primal helps with my ED issues and helps quiet the brain aspect of it all, for me at least. I just try to be careful and not get into doing any kind of restrictive "challenges" because that always triggers a binge cycle. I don't include Primal in and of itself as a "diet", it's just how I eat, and I'm not going to change that because it seems to help and it's obviously healthier than CW alternatives. You should check out MalPaz's website, she's a recovering anorexic and talks a lot about it and Paleo and everything. It's a great resource.

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