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  • #16
    Originally posted by Grok View Post
    Healthcare in the US is extremely expensive because of government involvement. In a free market society prices go down, not up. Before the government got involved in healthcare in the US, health insurance could be paid for by a minimum wage worker at the time. Ever since the government got involved with medicare and medicaid and tax benefits for buying health insurance through your employer resulted in completely destroying the industry.
    Sorry, not buying it. Old folks here still talk about people losing all their savings and their homes because of serious illnesses before the advent of the universal healthcare system in Canada. My dad even remembers it happening when he was a kid.
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    • #17
      If Denmark is giving into such bullcrap, it doesn't bode well for other countries.

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      • #18
        I would have hoped that Denmark was paying attention to the research etc. coming out of Sweden that a diet high in saturated fat does not increase health risks.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Owly View Post
          That's not a sugar tax, it applies to anything that's considered food for immediate consumption--restaurant meals, pre-made sandwiches or salads, whatever.
          We have the same thing in Norway. Food has about half the VAT compared to all other goods and services, so when you order at McDonald's, take-away will be cheaper than eating there, since the former is a food purchase while the latter is a restaurant service.

          We actually do have a sugar tax though, which makes soda and chocolate more expensive than other foods. One of the big grocery store chains here is also lobbying for removing tax on fruits and vegetables. It's not in law yet, but that particular chain supposedly reduce their prices on fruits and vegetables as if they were tax free.

          Another thing they started doing (and that the other chains soon followed) was to reduce prices on "healthy" foods--marked so by an official entity with a specific logo. This is all good, but the labelling is a bit off, as a chicken filet has the logo but a beef steak doesn't. Apparently there are criteria for max fat and salt content to get the logo, but still, most steak cuts should pass those.

          I'm suspecting maybe it's because red meat is not considered healthy, or because the producers would lose too much money by having reduced prices on beef. As I understand it, the logo and certification is optional and thus controlled by the brand owner, meaning they can chose not to have the logo on a product that does fit the criteria.

          Also, the food doesn't have to be healthy to be labeled, only more healthy than alternatives in the same product group, so there are already "healthy" frozen pizzas out there, with the official logo on the box...
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          • #20
            Originally posted by norak View Post
            Another thing they started doing (and that the other chains soon followed) was to reduce prices on "healthy" foods--marked so by an official entity with a specific logo. This is all good, but the labelling is a bit off, as a chicken filet has the logo but a beef steak doesn't. Apparently there are criteria for max fat and salt content to get the logo, but still, most steak cuts should pass those.

            I'm suspecting maybe it's because red meat is not considered healthy, or because the producers would lose too much money by having reduced prices on beef. As I understand it, the logo and certification is optional and thus controlled by the brand owner, meaning they can chose not to have the logo on a product that does fit the criteria.
            The reduction in price is likely a subsidy. That is to say, your govt, in it's infinite wisdom, has decided to use public funds to help one group over another, i.e. chicken producers over beef producers.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Grok View Post
              Healthcare in the US is extremely expensive because of government involvement.
              It's expensive partly because the industry has become a cartel and partly because of inflation.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by js290 View Post
                It's expensive partly because the industry has become a cartel and partly because of inflation.
                Nah that's BS. No cartel in a free market ever survives without government involvement. There is always a member of the cartel who cheats or new competition coming in from outside the cartel.

                Sure I guess inflation plays some role, but there wasn't enough inflation to bring the price of computers and cell phones sky-rocketing upwards. Why does all the price inflation go to healthcare and tuition costs? The answer is government involvement.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Grok View Post
                  Nah that's BS. No cartel in a free market ever survives without government involvement. There is always a member of the cartel who cheats or new competition coming in from outside the cartel.
                  A cartel usually implies coercion. Who's more coercive than the govt?

                  Originally posted by Grok View Post
                  Sure I guess inflation plays some role, but there wasn't enough inflation to bring the price of computers and cell phones sky-rocketing upwards. Why does all the price inflation go to healthcare and tuition costs? The answer is government involvement.
                  Chris Masterjohn's argument:
                  Technology is the one sector of the economy where the productivity increases so rapidly that this increase outpaces the increase in the money supply. Thus, prices go down over time instead of up, while new and better products constantly bump older ones out of the market.

                  When it comes to technology, prices go down over time and the wealth "trickles down" to most of us. When it comes to food or virtually any other commodity, prices go up and the big financial institutions swallow up the little guys.

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                  • #24
                    What you think there has been no new technology in the healthcare industry? We constantly get newer more sophisticated equipment which would normally drive the price of healthcare down, but because of government involvement, prices continue to rise.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by js290 View Post
                      A cartel usually implies coercion. Who's more coercive than the govt?
                      Right, like I said, no cartel can survive unless government makes a law to force it. Hence, if there exists a healthcare cartel, the reason is government involvement.

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                      • #26
                        To be fair the danes tax sugar similarly but this will do nothing to reverse the universal fattening and bad health.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Grok View Post
                          That is what happens when you have a universal socialist heathcare system funded by tax payers...
                          I'm glad you found time from your busy schedule to make a domestic political point.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Legbiter View Post
                            I'm glad you found time from your busy schedule to make a domestic political point.
                            I'm not busy. I understand that Iceland also has a socialist government provided healthcare system.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Grok View Post
                              I'm not busy.\
                              Why do we have to support nonproducers like yourself.

                              You are a parasite.

                              Society cannot afford you.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by DarthFriendly View Post
                                Why do we have to support nonproducers like yourself.

                                You are a parasite.

                                Society cannot afford you.
                                I'm investing my hard-earned savings into profitable corporations which grow my wealth. (In other words, companies in China.) Society needs me because I am redirecting capital where it can be put to optimal use.

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