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  • I've found that resticting yourself from certain foods...

    ...... causes you to crave that food more. The forbidden fruit always tastes better. It got to a point where I developed a binge-eating disorder where a few nights a week I would say fuck it and cram my face full of poptarts.

    And I didn't even like pop-tarts before primal.

    Sure I wasn't eating healthy before PB, but I weighed less and was much happier on my stoner diet of no breakfast, highschool cheeseburger n fries, moms dinner and a can of arizona ice tea.

    So I said "screw this, im gonna have cake and grains and whatever else I want whenever I want. Im tired of this shyt."

    And just like that all that junk food that seemed to call my name stopped looking so tasty. The first night I said this to myself I went over to the desert cart in my cafe and nothing really appealed to me. I ended up having a banana.

    I eat oats for breakfast, maybe an english muffin. I eat sandwhiches all the time, ect...It keeps me sane. I love oats, bread and sandwhiches.

    But the junk has no pull on me at all anymore. I don't crave candy at all anymore, I hardly ever want desert. I havent had an arizona in years.

    I'll opt for potatos or another alternative if available, but I still eat grains. I feel better now than when I was strict primal trying to be perfect, and dare I say better than when I was one my stoner diet. And guess what? i'm lookin sexier by the day.

    So for those of you who feel like they're fighting themselves with every meal, my adivce is chill out and eat what you want.

    (I guess this adivice is for people with the goal of getting healthy and feeling good, not nessecarilly for obese people)
    Last edited by milkycereal; 09-27-2011, 09:56 AM.

  • #2
    But bread haz da glutenz which will give u da cancerz in your body!

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    • #3
      Amen bro, dieting is all in the mind. If you go into primal feeling like your depriving yourself, you will binge, restrict, overeat, undereat, and develop orthorexia. If you go into primal feeling like your doing your body worlds of good and giving it nourishment it badly needed, your body composition will improve, as will your mood, weight, strength, and all other health markers.

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      • #4
        I think its more about mentality. Stop thinking of these foods as the forbidden fruit. I work around processed, high sugar foods all day, and I don't crave it one bit.

        I've trained my self to see candy, breads, processed food, etc, as not food at all. It's just processed junk made by a corporation specifically to get you addicted to it. They have no moral guilt when adding high amounts of sugar in their foods. All they know is that getting people addicted to sugar will increase profits.

        Keep all of these things in mind. Stop thinking of it as a "diet" (in the negative sense), or as a restriction.
        Last edited by Bosnic; 09-27-2011, 10:15 AM.

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        • #5
          Yeah, it's all in your mind, and natural to crave that which you can't have, which is why DVDA and ATM are so highly desired, but taboo.
          My Fitday public journal.
          Me vs. Russian Boar, hunt is on Aug. 20th. WHAT'S MORE PRIMAL THAN THAT?!
          Recently survived Warrior Dash, New England.
          Game Developer, ex-Chef, long time Fatbody.

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          • #6
            Sometimes thinking about what you're replacing it with is a good way to go too.

            A bag of chips or..... a big plate of super caramelized roasted veggies swimming in chicken fat?
            A candy bar or..... A big bowl of beautiful multi colored berries with fresh whipped cream?
            A Subway sandwich or......... A parisian style frisee and bacon salad with a poached egg?
            A big plate of spaghetti or........ a big plate of chicken marsala with big juicy mushrooms and peppers with garlic mashed potatoes?

            Let's face it, some foods are just sexier.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by colejames View Post
              Amen bro, dieting is all in the mind. If you go into primal feeling like your depriving yourself, you will binge, restrict, overeat, undereat, and develop orthorexia. If you go into primal feeling like your doing your body worlds of good and giving it nourishment it badly needed, your body composition will improve, as will your mood, weight, strength, and all other health markers.
              I strongly agree with this. Sure, the foods you choose to eat, make a difference, but I have experienced first-hand the difference that mindset can have on body composition.

              Also, I don't totally agree with the OP. I used to overeat nuts alot. I cut them out totally and completely for about a month and now I can eat them in moderation. So if there's some "forbidden fruit" that you can't control yourself around, try cutting it out totally for at least one month. You may find that your addiction subsides.

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              • #8
                If we are talking purely aesthetics all that matters is calories in/ calories out and macro breakdown. Whether you eat big macs, candy bars, and pizza to get your cals or all paleo foods, aesthetically there is no difference. Their may be a difference in satiety, and how you feel (general health), but not body composition wise if the macros are the same.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kenzington View Post
                  Sometimes thinking about what you're replacing it with is a good way to go too.

                  A bag of chips or..... a big plate of super caramelized roasted veggies swimming in chicken fat?
                  A candy bar or..... A big bowl of beautiful multi colored berries with fresh whipped cream?
                  A Subway sandwich or......... A parisian style frisee and bacon salad with a poached egg?
                  A big plate of spaghetti or........ a big plate of chicken marsala with big juicy mushrooms and peppers with garlic mashed potatoes?

                  Let's face it, some foods are just sexier.
                  I'm with you on 2-4, but #1 just sounds like the cook screwed up. Veg should never SWIM in fat.
                  My Fitday public journal.
                  Me vs. Russian Boar, hunt is on Aug. 20th. WHAT'S MORE PRIMAL THAN THAT?!
                  Recently survived Warrior Dash, New England.
                  Game Developer, ex-Chef, long time Fatbody.

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                  • #10
                    This is so true. I loved warm rolls with dinner and was kind of addicted to giant bowls of sugary cereal, but I never really cared about grains until I learned how bad they supposedly are for you. And then I ended up sneaking downstairs late at night to stuff myself full of cornbread, poptarts (which I dgaffed about before, like you) and then moving on to ice cream and chocolate milk. I think that for many people, it's really dangerous to say that certain foods, especially when it's regardless of occasion and preparation, are 'bad'. It inevitably turns them into something that is 'not allowed' which means to your brain that you are being deprived of it any time you see it and want it. And I agree, having something be 'off limits' makes you want it more, and makes you feel more deprived.

                    In July, I realized that low-carb and restricting grains was getting me nowhere. I was eating a pitifully small amount just to keep my weight from going up, and I was sick of resisting and giving in to binging, so I said fuckit. I'll eat whatever I want whenever I want, because not eating whatever I want whenever I want is probably doing the most to cause me to gain weight. So I unabashedly ate potatoes, yogurt, popsicles, ice cream, flavored milk, whatever, it didn't matter. And I gained about 10 pounds in a month, but I'm glad! My body needed to gain that weight to start functioning (more) properly again. And I care a whole lot less about cake and cookies than I did before. I can have whatever I want. And now that that's established, I'm much happier and eating more whole foods and proper meals than ever.

                    There is enough evidence at this point that a person's relationship with food will make or break their success that I don't know why we don't talk about it more.

                    Originally posted by Giantsbran View Post
                    If we are talking purely aesthetics all that matters is calories in/ calories out and macro breakdown. Whether you eat big macs, candy bars, and pizza to get your cals or all paleo foods, aesthetically there is no difference. Their may be a difference in satiety, and how you feel (general health), but not body composition wise if the macros are the same.
                    Are we seriously still doing this?

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                    • #11
                      I also eat oats and on parties I taste several different desserts, diary, fruit, the likes.

                      You have a lease on life... you're not going to be here forever. Enjoy it sensibly.

                      I think there is a bit too much of a dictatorial tone in this forum and in this community of that we shouldn't eat this and that, people go so far as to avoid fruit (a given for a lot) and tomatoes and I'm sure there are a lot of other stuff that's "forbidden".

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                      • #12
                        I hereby forbid forbidding.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tplank View Post
                          I hereby forbid forbidding.
                          Word.

                          Sorry about the crappy grammar in the OP. I was trying to get that out 10 minutes before class.

                          But I'm not sure if I mentioned the fact that I actually prefer to eat healthy now...it's like my body somewhat adjusted over time and has realized the rewards of a good meal vs. a not so healthy one. Sure, I could have a burger and fries for dinner...but literally right next to that is the alternative: Something like Ham, all the colorful tasty veggies I can handle, maybe some rice, some soup...

                          And that larger, tastier more filling meal will leave me happy, satisfied and feeling a helluvalot better than eating the more processed stuff. Shit, I haven't been really sick in almost 3 years aside from 2 colds and one weird horrible cold sore outbreak (which im pretty sure was stress-realted). Even now i'm sitting in a dorm with almost everyone (including my roomate) fucking coughing and sneezing and having to spit phlem in the sink, and I feel great. My immune system is a champ, and i used to get sick all the time.


                          I also find its best not to look at food in terms of "This food is a bad food, this food is a OK".

                          Doing so makes you feel guilty when you consume those "bad" foods for whatever reason. This guilt could make you feel like you blew it for the day. Maybe you feel that put you over your calorie limit or that it'll mess with your blood sugar or whatever excuse you might have to say "i've already screwed up, might as well go in"


                          If anything it's all your food choices over time that matters.

                          I feel like if your taking 3 steps towards good health with a primal meal, then taking a half step back by having some bread with that meal is totally worth it....especially if you've loved bread your whole life and grew up in a familly where bread was eaten on the side with every meal...including 78 y/o grandpa who's the healthiest, sharpest old guy i know

                          BUT, the PB taught me that eating healthy is a matter of simply eating whole and natural foods. The least processed the better.
                          Last edited by milkycereal; 09-27-2011, 01:14 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Giantsbran View Post
                            If we are talking purely aesthetics all that matters is calories in/ calories out and macro breakdown. Whether you eat big macs, candy bars, and pizza to get your cals or all paleo foods, aesthetically there is no difference. Their may be a difference in satiety, and how you feel (general health), but not body composition wise if the macros are the same.

                            Since you think you know about all this stuff, I challange you to eat the above listed foods and only those to get your nutrition for a couple months and then come back and tell us how you are doing. You are young and have much to learn about how a body works - and we all are definitely not the same. Why would you even come to this site or try to eat better if you believe this crap!

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                            • #15
                              I did eat this way for years! I maintained 7% bodyfat, so YOU are the one who has alot to learn. Go to bodybuilding.com and read the IIFYM crew threads. There are TONS of guy who eat tons of junk all day, make sure they fit it all into their macros, and are leaner than ANYONE on this site. Go learn about biochemistry. Your body does not know the difference between carbs from a sweet potato, vs carbs from skittles. They are processed in the same way. Sorry buddy. Have fun eating you veggies and grilled chicken every day.

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