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  • Greek Yogurt vs. Coconut Cream/Manna??

    I am relatively new here, but doing remarkably well with the lifestyle so far. I have two things I do regularly that should probably be more in the 20% side of nutrition than the 80%: I regularly eat some sort of dessert about an hour before bed and I regularly have a whey protein shake for my breakfast meal.

    In an ideal world, I would completely eliminate dairy and fruit (and powdered food) for maximum weight loss and health. But if given a choice, would one choose to top some frozen berries with Coconut Cream/Manna or Greek yogurt? (I love them both and KNOW I'm addicted.) I recently ditched the yogurt (full-fat Fage, of course--heaven...) for the coconut because I thought it spiked insulin too much? What do I know? I'm sure the coconut is doing similar things, right?

    Also, I see NUMEROUS posts about whey protein and the whole gray area of "Primal-ness." I usually don't crave protein in the morning and find a low-carb whey shake gives me some protein AND is convenient. Has anyone had luck with weight loss using shakes regularly, or am I shooting myself in the foot? Again, too much of an insulin spike?

    If anyone has any advice or stories to share, I would be VERY grateful.

  • #2
    Greek yogurt & coconut manna aren't even in the same deliciousness category. No fair making that judgement! Personally, I choose the yogurt. However, if you're worried about dairy, there are plenty of online tutorials for making your own coconut milk yogurt
    --Trish (Bork)
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    http://pregnantdiabetic.blogspot.com
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    • #3
      Have you tried berries with toasted coconut flakes and a pinch of cinnamon? Now that's heaven!

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      • #4
        Thank you both for responding! Dr. Bork Bork (funny), I actually prefer the yogurt but wondered about the insulin spike--and right before bed? Not sure if any "dessert" is good for me in that respect.

        And Glamorama, I will have to try the berries with the toasted coconut flakes. Sounds delicious! (It would probably save me some extra calories as the coconut cream is really coconut-crack!)

        Do either of you (or anyone else out there) know if the coconut is better for you than the yogurt (in terms of it's effect on weight and blood sugar)? And have either of you (or anyone else out there) know if whey shakes can help facilitate weight loss instead of gain?

        Thanks again for the replies! Much appreciated!

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        • #5
          I am a T2 diabetic if that helps your curiosity at all. I think dairy makes it more difficult to lose weight, but not impossible. I limit my dairy consumption to a couple cups a week (and usually in the form of HWC & Fage Total).
          I also have no guilt about enjoying whey protein. My favorite is Isopure Zero Carb & Isopure Low Carb. Both use stevia as a sweetener. They are helpful in the fact that they help me keep my carb count low and satisfy my sweet tooth at the same time. I also use them to make pancakes, waffles, and crepes. Recipe on my food blog in my sig below.
          Dunno if that was helpful info for you or not.
          --Trish (Bork)
          TROPICAL TRADITIONS REFERRAL # 7625207
          http://pregnantdiabetic.blogspot.com
          FOOD PORN BLOG! http://theprimaljunkfoodie.blogspot.com

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          • #6
            Yes! Very helpful, thank you! My weight has been increasing, sadly, since going on hormones and thyroid. So, I'm also trying to "clean up" my diet, as well. I was thinking my desserts and shakes were probably not helping, so it's good to see you have had some success with weight loss while enjoying them in moderation. Again, so appreciative for your response!

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            • #7
              Just be mindful of what you eat. Everything in moderation. A lifestyle that eliminates life's simple pleasures is no life at all. Just make sure your "in moderation" really is in moderation. Limit once a week. Keep your fruit to 1/2c/week, and dairy consumption very low to nonexistent. The bulk of you diet should be veggies, meat, and fat. The rest is just fluff. If you want to be lean & mean, eat veggies & meat. If you want to be fluffy, eat fluff.
              --Trish (Bork)
              TROPICAL TRADITIONS REFERRAL # 7625207
              http://pregnantdiabetic.blogspot.com
              FOOD PORN BLOG! http://theprimaljunkfoodie.blogspot.com

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              • #8
                I only do an evening snack 3-4 times weekly, and always before 7.30 pm. Any later and it affects my sleep. If you are watching your weight i would skip the yogurt and manna and just do the flakes or toasted almond flakes instead.

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                • #9
                  Thank you both! I kind of figured my evening snacks were a bit late and probably not the right thing to eat. I will definitely modify things and try the coconut flakes/chips instead--just earlier. And, Bork, I hear ya...my "moderation" can really get out of hand and become overload very rapidly.

                  Thanks again! L.

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                  • #10
                    A few foods that are okay that won't interupt sleep are: bananas, cherries, almonds, yogurt, etc. you can do more research on this. I know personally I usually have a tablespoon of Fage or Almond Butter w/ half a banana or 1/8 cup berries about 1-2 hours before bed. It just helps me sleep better than on an empty stomach since I eat dinner so early. Each of us is different....
                    Have high hopes that journaling can keep me on track: www.southerndink.com If you are on twitter hit me up so we can keep each other motivated: http://twitter.com/SouthernDink

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                    • #11
                      SouthernDink--I agree! I find I need something relatively close to my bedtime to sleep better. Thank you for the suggestions. I am thinking I simply eat too much, too close to my bedtime (and perhaps of the wrong kinds of food). Come to think of it, I did have pretty good sleep with my Fage and berries....I just need to adjust my AMOUNT. I'm embarrassed to tell you how much I can pack away! Thanks for your reply!

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                      • #12
                        My understanding is that when it comes to the affects of dairy the results vary significantly by the individual. I don't think you can come up with a golden rule that dairy spikes blood sugar more than coconut cream. I guess coconuts are more squarely within the primal blueprint but it really comes down to how you respond to either product.

                        I think you have the right approach though with full fat Fage if you are going to go with dairy. You might also try Greek style kefir by Lifeway - tremendous product that combines the two best types of dairy.

                        As for eating late - I've never felt that eating late ever affected weight gain, and going to sleep with full stomach has always helped me sleep better, which is probably more important than anything.

                        For a whey supplement, consider giving One World Whey a try - from raw milk of grass fed cows and sweetened with Stevia. Very pricey but it is the only whey I enjoy. You can get samples for a relatively affordable price before you plunge into a 5lb bucket.

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                        • #13
                          Great info, thanks!! I purchased kefir grains a long time ago, but was hesitant to get the ball rolling because of the whole dairy-dilemma (is it good for me/is it detrimental?). I will look up the Lifeway brand you mentioned for sure.

                          I will also look into the whey product you mentioned. I have used Tera's Whey in the past and still have a container of Jay Robb's in the cupboard. (My husband laughs every time he opens it because the container has this picture of this dorky, open-shirted man with a cheesy grin and washboard abs--Jay Robb--on the it. "Really?" he asks. Cracks me up...like I'm this bodybuilder or something.)

                          You have been a wealth of info. I learn so much from each of you, so thanks!

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                          • #14
                            Try Isopure Zero Carb, it's really versatile (and super delicious... oh, and no dorky hippie semi-open shirt ripped abs guy to offend your husband)
                            --Trish (Bork)
                            TROPICAL TRADITIONS REFERRAL # 7625207
                            http://pregnantdiabetic.blogspot.com
                            FOOD PORN BLOG! http://theprimaljunkfoodie.blogspot.com

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                            • #15
                              Ha! Thanks for the info. I will check out that product, too! (I will also lay off the whey shakes for a while and see if I notice any difference in my overall health/weight...)

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