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    I keep getting in these battles with my friends who are leading the CW army telling me that diets with much "Saturated Fats" are unhealthy. Later on they say that eating cold water fishes, flax, olive oil is heart healthy. I get the Omega 6/3 ratio issue.


    Aren't all saturated fats the same?

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    Let me rephrase.


    Higher saturated fat "Diet" means eating muscle tissues from the entire animal and not sitting on the couch drinking rendered lard. Correct?


    In other words, eating a chicken thigh, a rump roast from beef, or a pork shoulder is where the saturated fat comes from. Not eating the actual fat like a slab of pork belly for dinner.


    Are these examples the same as eating a side of Sockeye salmon?

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      I still don't understand what you mean by "the same".

      Eating lots but still hungry? Eat more fat. Mid-day sluggishness? Eat more fat. Feeling depressed or irritable? Eat more fat. People think you've developed an eating disorder? Eat more fat... in front of them.

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        You could definitely eat a slab of pork belly for dinner, or any of those other fatty cuts you mentioned (though I would include a good ribeye steak in there) from other animals as a source of saturated fat. You can also cook with butter, bacon fat, beef tallow, duck or goose fat...as those are also sources of saturated fat. Coconut and palm oils contain saturated fat as well.


        Salmon is a source of polyunsaturated fat, so it is different than the beef/pork/fowl examples listed above, and has higher levels of omega 3's than you can get from many other foods. I've also seen that salmon has a better ratio of 3:6 than other foods, such as walnuts which have a high count of 3's but an even higher count of 6's.


        So in response to your original question, they are different fats, and therefore not the same


        And I wouldn't recommend drinking melted lard, but I'm not opposed to licking the last of the bacon grease off of my breakfast plate...

        You are what you eat,
        and what you eat eats too - Michael Pollan

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          High carb diets(insulin resistance) with high saturated fats are unhealthy (typical SAD). That will increase triglyceride levels to dangerous levels.


          Lower carb (<150g) diets with high SF controls insulin and allows your body to do what it is designed to do with SF which is use it for energy.


          There are many different types of Saturated Fatty Acids. I am unsure what you mean by "the same" though.

          Don't be a paleotard...

          http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...oxidation.html

          http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...torage-qa.html

          http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...rn-fat-qa.html

          http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...-you-need.html

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            I am on a high carb and high saturated fat diet ;-). Although I only eat the high carbs in evenings, but it invariably has a lot of saturated fat (ghee).


            But I have lost a lot of fat 15Kgs in 8 months, following this.


            I am not sure why people think that high carb causes insulin resistance. It is actually the other way insulin resistance carbs to be bad. I actually reduced by insulin resistance on this diet. It worked because I am low carb for most of the day, except for dinner.


            The only really deadly things are refined oils and sugar (probably soy). Wheat, milk and several other things are not as deadly for everyone.

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              What are you considering "high carb"?


              Why is sugar any worse than any other carb? In the end glucose is glucose no?

              Don't be a paleotard...

              http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...oxidation.html

              http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...torage-qa.html

              http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...rn-fat-qa.html

              http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...-you-need.html

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                Well fructose doesn&#39;t become glucose.


                Anand, I&#39;m also interested in knowing what you consider high carb.

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                  Fructose doesn&#39;t effect insulin either.

                  Don't be a paleotard...

                  http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...oxidation.html

                  http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...torage-qa.html

                  http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...rn-fat-qa.html

                  http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...-you-need.html

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                    Rice. That is my staple.

                    Breakfast is usually milk and egg omelate. Sometimes some rice pancakes (uttapam).

                    Lunch is usually some mutton/chicken cooked vegetables and fruits.

                    Dinner is usually vegetables with legumes and rice.


                    My diet contains at least 200gms carb per day. I do try to avoid wheat, as it causes problems with my digestion. Lots of legumes also does that. Sometimes rice also does it ;-).


                    I eat around 50gms carb in the morning. Maybe 50gm carbs in lunch and probably 150gm carbs in dinner.


                    >200gms of high glycemic carb diet must be high carb.


                    Sugar as in table sugar is bad as it contains fructose. I still have a trouble saying no to sweets. But I do portion control a lot strictly than before.


                    We are refined oil free. We do use a lot of ghee. I must be consuming around 500gms per week + 200gms of coconut oil. Some other fats (like mustard oil) is also there.


                    I do think that the above constitutes a high carb and high saturated fat diet.


                    I think insulin effects are over rated. Fructose is the deadly carb, even though it does not effect insulin as much as glucose.


                    I agree that it is not the healthiest diet, but it is possibly the best I can do presently.

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                      @Anand: Nice to see that we have some high carbers here too. After low-carb pretty much fucked me up, I just got basically on the same train relatively high carb + high fat.


                      There is nothing wrong with insulin by itself and assumung that carbs by themselves cause insulin resistance is not very reasonable to me. It&#39;s just when you get things as refined carbs and pure sugar that the insulin response will get thrown out of proportion which ultimately will cause insulin resistance.


                      Well, this thread pretty much got highjacked, but cvonsidering that I don&#39;t really have a clue what the original thread was about, and it seems like I&#39;m not alone there, I guess this is okay.

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                        Fructose is bad: http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/nutrition/a/fructosedangers.htm


                        Also been show to cause fatty liver disease, much like alcohol.


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                        Anyway, saturated fats and omega-3s are different beasts, but both are good for you.


                        Suggested reading from this site: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/saturated-fat-healthy/


                        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/fish-oil-health-benefits/


                        Also: http://freetheanimal.com/2009/08/saturated-fat-is-good-for-you.html


                        Lots of information on there on the dangers of fructose, as well, to those that were remarking on it earlier.

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                          @madMUHHH

                          I am not sure about VLC diet. I haven&#39;t tried it much ;-). Unless I try it, I couldn&#39;t say that it is not good for me. Evidently some people do find it good.


                          I don&#39;t agree with zero carb diets. I think that is too extreme.


                          VLC should be OK, but may not be for everybody. I somehow think that I will do well on a VLC diet. I normally like lots of fat and don&#39;t have much craving for carbs. Its just that my situation doesn&#39;t allow a zero grain diet, so I take rice over the wheat.


                          I don&#39;t even think that refined carbs are a problem. I think the only problem with refined carbs is that they are nutritionally empty. If you can get adequate nutrition from meat and fats, then refined carbs should not be a problem.

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                            Daniel,

                            You can go to the Weston A Price Foundation to get a pretty good primer on fats. Saturated fats are generally the fats that are solid at room temp (ghee, coconut oil, lard, tallow, butter, visible fat on a steak etc) and when they are from grass fed/organic/non-hydrogenated/simple natural sources, they are good for you!


                            There are some fats in vogue and pushed by CW (margarines/vegetable oil spreads, canola, corn oil, soybean oil etc) that are at best questionable if not downright dangerous to our health. If man created it, DON&#39;T eat it. Just don&#39;t eat processed foods. Simple as that.


                            Oils such as olive oil, fish oil, flax oil can be a proper way to take in some healthy fat, but do some reading on this aspect, you may choose to forgo supplementing/cooking with oils and fats that are better sourced elsewhere. That is, why take fish oil capsules, when you can just eat grass fed beef, and zero out your processed food intake to properly balance your Omega 3/6 ratio?


                            I certainly DO eat plenty animal fat, as you said "sitting on the couch drinking rendered lard" describes me breaking an intermittent fast! That fat needs to be sourced from a pastured/grassfed "wild" animal of some sort or another, and it is perfect nutrition, contrary to CW.

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                              All, Thanks for the responses. Where I get lost (been reading this site for almost a year now) is when friends and family say to me "Eating meats with high levels of saturated fats will cause high choilesterol and therefore you will have [eventually] heart disease."


                              I try and respond that regulating insulin by lowering your grain, corn, soy intake and using protiens found from animals that are raised on pasture. This way of diet is healthier and in more alignment with our biology than where we&#39;ve been led to following this current model backed by big corp agra.


                              I get all kinds of "you do not know what you are talking about" type responses so that is why I asked if a piece of meat that contains saturated fat is the same as another piece of meat with saturated fat. (Salmon vs Pork belly)


                              I&#39;ll keep reading until I get it. Meanwhile, I am eating lots of local eggs, meats and vegetables.

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