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  • #16
    We went grain free and it didn't improve my husband's arthritic knees. I will see if I can get him to agree to try cutting nightshades. He eats a lot of peppers. He eats them every day in his breakfast omelet and in his lunch salad.

    But in other news, his blood sugar went way down! He's got type 2 diabetes and his home testing numbers are under 100, even when he tests an hour or two after eating! He doesn't get an official blood test til October so I can't say what his other numbers are doing. So for that reason alone, we'll stick with him eating this way, but if his arthritis left, that would be a nice bonus :-D

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    • #17
      In June I was talking to my husband about going in to have a surgery consult on my shoulder because it hurt so bad. It had been getting worse and worse since last November. I went gluten free July 5th. By July 21st I noticed a huge difference. It still twinged a bit, but it wasn't constant. Now, I am pain free.

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      • #18
        GAH!!! Something else I can't eat??

        Well this is frustrating! I've been primal for 15 weeks and loving it. 30 scale pounds gone, stable energy levels, and never hungry. Fortunately, I'm the type of person who finds it easy to simply not eat certain things...so I've been 99.9% on the nutrition. No grains, limited fruit (and even then just strawberries or cherries), nothing processed, no crap at all. Plants and animals, healthy fats.

        A cornerstone for me is a big salad topped with slices of beef, or grilled salmon, or chicken, or a can of tuna. Sometimes twice a day. Green and Red Peppers are ALWAYS included, 1/3 to 1/2 of a whole pepper, each kind, as well as a whole roma tomato.

        I was not aware of this joint pain issue with nightshades; however, I have to say that I do suffer from mild joint pain, especially in the a.m. before my body gets warmed up and moving. I have just attributed this to age (51), but must admit that I hoped I could report massive improvements with that due to losing the spare 30 pounds (10 more to go.) No such luck.

        So I will try eliminating the peppers and tomato immediately. I have read conflicting reports on cucumber being a nightshade. Doesn't really seem to be though.

        Any ideas of what else to add to keep color in the salads, as I do believe the more color equates to more varied nutrients. My basic salad (removing the peppers and tomato) is: Organic romaine lettuce; spinach; green olives (from jar); black olives (from can); broccoli; often onion; cucumber (peeled). What else can I add for some color if eliminating peppers and tomatoes? I'm right away thinking radishes; some carrots (have tried to avoid due to higher sugar content); a greater variety of leafy things (bok choy, grated cabbage, etc); Any other ideas.

        I will try eliminating this stuff and see if I notice a difference. Will be blown away if so. The learning continues....

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Phkemp View Post
          So I will try eliminating the peppers and tomato immediately. I have read conflicting reports on cucumber being a nightshade. Doesn't really seem to be though.
          Botanically, it's not. It's a gourd and not even closely related to nightshades. And I'm not getting any positive hits on searching for cucumber alkaloid or cucumber tropane. That's not to say that they can't have some other mechanism for messing with our bodies. Obviously there are some folks that have bad reactions to them. It's just not the same as nightshades.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by DaisyEater View Post
            Obviously there are some folks that have bad reactions to them. It's just not the same as nightshades.
            *raises hand* Me!
            Within 2 hours of eating bell peppers, I notice a decline in joint happiness ("Oh, you again. Hello there."). Tomatoes don't bother me as much, but cucumbers do! They take about 2 days to kick in, but the pain is just as bad as bell peppers. The cucumbers for me were a little trickier cuz you don't notice the trouble in joint function right away, so I was eating them more frequently. "Oh, cucumbers don't bug me. Let's have another salad tonight!"
            Needless to say, I'm kicking myself right now after coming to realize this. I have a race this weekend, and I'm still working last week's cucumbers out of my system.
            It's sad, cuz as a kid I would sneak into the fridge, steal an entire cucumber, and chow down. They've always been one of my top 5 favorite veggies.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Wander View Post
              I don't know when my joint pain initially went away BUT I screwed up last night and ate a bag of Doritos (I was starving, I'm deployed, and our food selection is getting progressively worse) and woke up this morning with a wrecked stomach and all my old joint issues. My stomach is back to normal but my knees are still killing... I'll check back in once the pain stops.
              If I eat anything with gluten I notice it in my hands the very next day. Swelling, joint pain, and carpal tunnel numbness at night. It's weird how quickly things can go south.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
                *raises hand* Me!
                Within 2 hours of eating bell peppers, I notice a decline in joint happiness ("Oh, you again. Hello there."). Tomatoes don't bother me as much, but cucumbers do! They take about 2 days to kick in, but the pain is just as bad as bell peppers. The cucumbers for me were a little trickier cuz you don't notice the trouble in joint function right away, so I was eating them more frequently. "Oh, cucumbers don't bug me. Let's have another salad tonight!"
                Needless to say, I'm kicking myself right now after coming to realize this. I have a race this weekend, and I'm still working last week's cucumbers out of my system.
                It's sad, cuz as a kid I would sneak into the fridge, steal an entire cucumber, and chow down. They've always been one of my top 5 favorite veggies.

                I would hate that! I love cucumbers. They're one of my absolute favorite veggies.

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                • #23
                  [QUOTE=gunnk;567263]On the other hand, even a TINY cheat (i.e.: a martini with wheat-based vodka in it) and I'm tight-chested and/or wheezing within a few HOURS. QUOTE]

                  ***SouthernDink runs to liquor cabinet to see what base Grey Goose is***
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                  • #24
                    have you tried adding gelatin to your diet? Lots of people swear by it, I was going to investigate it more
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by SouthernDink View Post
                      have you tried adding gelatin to your diet? Lots of people swear by it, I was going to investigate it more
                      only in the form of haupia, LOL
                      --Trish (Bork)
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Phkemp View Post



                        I was not aware of this joint pain issue with nightshades; however, I have to say that I do suffer from mild joint pain, especially in the a.m. before my body gets warmed up and moving.

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                        That type of joint trouble is a classic symptom of spondylitis. If nightshades doesn't fix it I'd recommend trying going as starch free as you can and seeing if that helps. The site I linked to earlier in the thread has great info.
                        Gluten intolerance and hypermobility syndrome http://www.cfids.org/pdf/joint-hypermobility-guide.pdf

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Beth_D View Post
                          If I eat anything with gluten I notice it in my hands the very next day. Swelling, joint pain, and carpal tunnel numbness at night. It's weird how quickly things can go south.
                          If I eat grains, it seems like the next day I'm plagued with a general aches. If I go on a binge lasting more than a day, I get bloated, depressed and very lethargic.

                          I recently noticed the connection with carpal tunnel numbness and my carb binges.

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                          • #28
                            I posted this a while ago but didn't get much response... so I'll try again

                            Anyone who is or is trying to go nightshade-free have a suggestion for books/websites for recipes? I feel like ALL of my food is nightshade based and for the few days I tried to get rid of it everything was blah

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Horsewoman View Post
                              That type of joint trouble is a classic symptom of spondylitis. If nightshades doesn't fix it I'd recommend trying going as starch free as you can and seeing if that helps. The site I linked to earlier in the thread has great info.
                              Thanks! I am starch free already, I can't think of anywhere starch might be creeping in, as well as completely grain free. So I'll be anxious to see if the slight knee pain diminishes with eliminating all the peppers and tomatoes. (And wouldnt you know...just came home from the store 2 nights ago with a pile of green and red peppers, and for the first time since primal I decided to add eggplant, so got 2 of them....oh well!)

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Phkemp View Post
                                Thanks! I am starch free already, I can't think of anywhere starch might be creeping in, as well as completely grain free. So I'll be anxious to see if the slight knee pain diminishes with eliminating all the peppers and tomatoes. (And wouldnt you know...just came home from the store 2 nights ago with a pile of green and red peppers, and for the first time since primal I decided to add eggplant, so got 2 of them....oh well!)
                                You can use iodine to test your veg and fruit for starch.
                                Gluten intolerance and hypermobility syndrome http://www.cfids.org/pdf/joint-hypermobility-guide.pdf

                                Eat food. Mostly real. Enjoy life.

                                Health, energy, wellbeing, vitality, joy, LIFE! Health At Every Size

                                "Do not ask what the world needs; ask yourself what makes you come alive. And then go and do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive."
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