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    Hi folks

    A family member has had surgery for colon cancer and is facing chemotherapy now. Does anyone have any good resources for nutrition/diet in cancer treatment? I assume the usual rules apply, but it would be good to know if there are any particular nutrition challenges with the chemo.
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  • #2
    Generally you don't want to use supplements during chemo as there's the chance of protecting the cancer. Vit. D might be an exception. Also B12 is often deficient. Post chemo there's tons of suggestions for recovering from the chemo. Just google. Alpha Lipoic Acid is used a lot for nueropathy. No supplement should be taken during chemo without approval from her oncologist.

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    • #3
      Hey racingsnake~

      Good to see you here and sorry for the reason!

      Low carb can be helpful, unless it would cause undue stress. I second the Vitamin D.

      Unfortunately (from my own experience of my sister's breast cancer), many docs will advise against all supplements without really understanding nutrition. I know that C can interfere with chemo, but I doubt that D would, given how easily the body produces its own in adequate sun.
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      • #4
        I've heard the same thing about low carb, though I'm certainly not an expert. Wish I could remember where I read it. Something about the cancer cells needing carbs to feed on, and low carb starved them, slowing their growth.
        Durp.

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        • #5
          Hi Racingsnake,

          I know way more about chemo than I would like to. Learned it the hard way first hand.

          Yes, I agree that low carb is best when possible BUT there will be days when carbs are needed to quiet the tummy down to keep from puking. This is because the chemo drugs cause a massive excess of acidity in the stomach and the carbs soak it up. If you don't want the inflammatory-ness of gluten, you could stick to white rice and sweet and white potatoes.

          It is better to keep up the patient's strength than to maintain Primal Purity. The nausea comes in cycles with the rounds of chemo, or at least it did for me. There were only a few really bad days per three week cycle. During those bad days you do whatever you have to to make it through and stay strong. I don't know what the laws are in your country regarding smokable herbal remedies for nausea, if you get my drift, but a friend of mine procured some for me and it really helped me to be able to keep food down on those bad days.

          If I can answer any questions or be of any other help, please shoot me a PM.

          Robin

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          • #6
            Just read a book called anti cancer, very interesting, maybe you could take a look at it.

            its by an academic who had a brain tumour and talks about studies in both humans an animals regarding dealing with cancer through a holistic approach, nutritional, psychological and physical.

            again, its more hard hitting because the author has cancer himself.

            Anticancer: A New Way of Life: Amazon.co.uk: David Servan-Schreiber: Books

            I wish your family member strong recovery and increased health.
            Organic / Wild / Pasture fed - thats Primal.
            Primal is a step to a healthier, stronger, longer life with weight reduction as a side effect.
            Primal is not just a weight reduction tool.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
              Hi Racingsnake,

              I know way more about chemo than I would like to. Learned it the hard way first hand.

              Yes, I agree that low carb is best when possible BUT there will be days when carbs are needed to quiet the tummy down to keep from puking. This is because the chemo drugs cause a massive excess of acidity in the stomach and the carbs soak it up. If you don't want the inflammatory-ness of gluten, you could stick to white rice and sweet and white potatoes.

              It is better to keep up the patient's strength than to maintain Primal Purity. The nausea comes in cycles with the rounds of chemo, or at least it did for me. There were only a few really bad days per three week cycle. During those bad days you do whatever you have to to make it through and stay strong. I don't know what the laws are in your country regarding smokable herbal remedies for nausea, if you get my drift, but a friend of mine procured some for me and it really helped me to be able to keep food down on those bad days.

              If I can answer any questions or be of any other help, please shoot me a PM.

              Robin
              +1

              I would add that no matter what the tinfoil hat brigade here/on the internet says, it's important to listen to the oncologist and not get suckered by ridiculous, uneducated conspiracy theories (e.g. "eating a ketogenic diet will cure cancer, but THEY don't want you to know that!!!!" or the crazy guy here who thinks cancer is a fungus.)
              Don't start adding a bunch of supplements or whatever without running them by the oncologist. And yeah, often during chemo, it's more important to eat whatever can be tolerated instead of concerning yourself with absolute dietary perfection.
              Best of luck to your family member.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by marqueemoon View Post
                +1

                I would add that no matter what the tinfoil hat brigade here/on the internet says, it's important to listen to the oncologist and not get suckered by ridiculous, uneducated conspiracy theories (e.g. "eating a ketogenic diet will cure cancer, but THEY don't want you to know that!!!!" or the crazy guy here who thinks cancer is a fungus.)
                Don't start adding a bunch of supplements or whatever without running them by the oncologist. And yeah, often during chemo, it's more important to eat whatever can be tolerated instead of concerning yourself with absolute dietary perfection.
                Best of luck to your family member.

                +1

                I just lost my mother to colon cancer in March. My mom got all sorts of well-meaning advice from all sorts of people.....and her oncologist countered it all with eat whatever you want, because the calories were going to be needed and he was right. Chemo really shot her taste buds and there were days she just couldn't eat. Other days all she would have to eat were cookies.

                I wish you and your family the best of luck.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by marqueemoon View Post
                  +1

                  I would add that no matter what the tinfoil hat brigade here/on the internet says, it's important to listen to the oncologist and not get suckered by ridiculous, uneducated conspiracy theories (e.g. "eating a ketogenic diet will cure cancer, but THEY don't want you to know that!!!!" or the crazy guy here who thinks cancer is a fungus.)
                  Don't start adding a bunch of supplements or whatever without running them by the oncologist. And yeah, often during chemo, it's more important to eat whatever can be tolerated instead of concerning yourself with absolute dietary perfection.
                  Best of luck to your family member.
                  Absolutely. There are merchants of snake oil all over the net trying to sell you the magic cure that "They" don't want you to know about. Hogwash. The real MDs are very good at curing cancer. I'm living proof. There is not some huge conspiracy to keep people sick. Get real. If a cure for cancer is discovered, it will be on the front page of the JAMA not some obscure website and there will be Nobel Prizes to be won. In the meantime, doctors can and do cure cancer every day. Listen to them. They know their stuff.

                  Stay strong. Let me know if I can help.

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                  • #10
                    look for abram hoffer's books.
                    lowcarbpaleopregnancy.blogspot.com

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                    • #11
                      Thanks folks, I appreciate the suggestions. I'm getting the message about tempering idealism with reality when it comes to the chemo. If anyone has any other thoughts, I'd be glad to hear them. Thanks again.
                      My primal journal
                      You might find these handy: Free gluten free restaurant cards in 50+ languages
                      In Praise of the Primal Lifestyle

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                      • #12
                        I highly recommend soups for the upset tummy days. They can be made ahead of time and put in single serving containers. Cream of broccoli of cauliflower or carrot soup is going to be a whole lot easier to digest than the veggies just by themselves.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
                          I've heard the same thing about low carb, though I'm certainly not an expert. Wish I could remember where I read it. Something about the cancer cells needing carbs to feed on, and low carb starved them, slowing their growth.
                          RitaRose,

                          You are exactly RIGHT ON ! ! ! It is far better than you remember. Go on a Ketogenic (Zero Carb Diet) to help KILL cancer cells.


                          Dr. Otto Warburg (double doctorates in chemistry and medicine) won the Nobel Prize for his work on Cancer:

                          " Every doctor learned back in medical school all about Otto Warburg's discovery; a discovery of humongous proportions, because way back in the thirties Otto discovered the main biochemical cause of cancer, or what differentiates a cancer cell from a normal, healthy cell. So big a discovery was this, that Otto Warburg was awarded the Nobel Prize. ( Cancer thrives on blood sugar from carbs)
                          * cancer metabolizes through a process of fermentation, which requires sugar
                          * cancer metabolism 8 times greater than the metabolism of normal cells.
                          * If you dislike your cancer, then don't feed it.
                          * Enzyme deficient diet causes cancers
                          More here on his amazing cancer discovery here:
                          Cancer Loves Sugar

                          Link: Who is Otto Warburg


                          More details here: Dr. Kruse picks up on Dr. Warburg's work:
                          (Edit: Be sure to read this entire link for Due Diligence)
                          10. Here is the counter intuitive to the dogma you have had drummed into your head.……eat tons of cholesterol. Especially coconut oil. Many epidemiological studies have shown that lower levels of serum cholesterol** correlate with higher cancer rates. This is why eating a ketogenic paleolithic diet makes a ton of sense. Why a ketogenic diet? Because all cancers utilize glucose for substrate. You need to change the cellular fuel of choice. Go google Otto Warburg for more details. Ketogenic diets should be loaded with MCT from coconut oils as they confer huge advantages to normal cells over cancer cells. This leg up allows your immune system to catch up to the cancerous cells and destroy them using your own biologic machinery. There are numerous cancer journal articles published that show the same links.
                          How to tackle cancer | Jack Kruse


                          (** Translation-All of our body hormones & immune system are created from cholesterol, such that high cholesterol is NOT bad - the BAD stuff is the tiny cell LDL - from Dr. Kruse documents, MCT = Healthy Medium Chain Oils from Coconut Oil - Fred)

                          Google Otto Warburg for MUCH more on this subject,
                          Grizz
                          Last edited by Grizz; 11-21-2011, 05:23 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by marqueemoon View Post
                            +1

                            I would add that no matter what the tinfoil hat brigade here/on the internet says, it's important to listen to the oncologist and not get suckered by ridiculous, uneducated conspiracy theories (e.g. "eating a ketogenic diet will cure cancer, but THEY don't want you to know that!!!!" or the crazy guy here who thinks cancer is a fungus.)
                            Don't start adding a bunch of supplements or whatever without running them by the oncologist. And yeah, often during chemo, it's more important to eat whatever can be tolerated instead of concerning yourself with absolute dietary perfection.
                            Best of luck to your family member.
                            The above post by Grizz is an example of just such absurdity. Yes, a healthy diet is important as an adjunct to real medicine. But the fact remains that you can not diet your way out of cancer. It just doesn't work that way. Telling people to forgo real medical treatment and rely on "starving " the cancer by not eating sugar and carbs, to me is tantamount to murder. No, that is not hyperbole. That is how angry this kind of nonsense makes me. Grizz, I know you probably mean well but *you are wrong*.

                            Racingsnake, how are you and your family doing?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                              The above post by Grizz is an example of just such absurdity. Yes, a healthy diet is important as an adjunct to real medicine. But the fact remains that you can not diet your way out of cancer. It just doesn't work that way. Telling people to forgo real medical treatment and rely on "starving " the cancer by not eating sugar and carbs, to me is tantamount to murder. No, that is not hyperbole. That is how angry this kind of nonsense makes me. Grizz, I know you probably mean well but *you are wrong*.
                              Paleobird,

                              Sorry, but you did not even bother to read the links I provided. If you had, you would have seen this statement:
                              http://jackkruse.com/what-to-do-with...cer-diagnosis/
                              "Here is a post directed at what you may consider doing right away after consulting with your oncologist. Consider consulting a major cancer center like MD Anderson for a second opinion."

                              Before making ridiculous accusations, at least read the entire message,
                              Grizz
                              Last edited by Grizz; 11-11-2011, 01:59 PM.

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