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  • California Bill Taking Away Parental Freedoms regarding Vaccines--ACT NOW

    No matter where you stand on the vaccine issue, if you care about parental choice/consent, please take action this weekend to help veto this. (Certainly NOT trying to start a vaccine debate here! I just would never want my child to be getting shots at school without my knowing!!)

    Request Veto of AB499 To Stop Coerced Vaccination of Minor Children Without Parental Consent
    URGENT ACTION ALERT

    HELP STOP COERCED VACCINATION OF CHILDREN BEHIND THE BACKS OF THEIR PARENTS
    It is hard to believe, but the California Legislature has done the unthinkable, and we need just 5 minutes of your time this holiday weekend to help stop it.

    California just passed a bill into law, AB499 , which permits minor children as young as 12 years old, to be vaccinated with sexually transmitted disease vaccines without parental knowledge or parental consent.

    The only way to stop this incredible erosion of the rights of parents to be in control over what vaccine risks their child will take is if the Governor of California, Governor Jerry Brown, WILL VETO AB499.
    We are asking EVERYONE to please ASK Governor Brown to VETO AB499.
    (See more details at the link.)

    Sorry its off topic, I just feel like the PB Nutrition forum is the most visited and wanted lots of folks to see this...
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    Parents should always be notified of the vaccination process.

    That being said, to my mind it would be perfectly acceptable to deny a child access to public schools on the basis that they are un-vaccinated. There is a reason that measles has re-appeared in North America.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by jhc View Post
      Parents should always be notified of the vaccination process.

      That being said, to my mind it would be perfectly acceptable to deny a child access to public schools on the basis that they are un-vaccinated. There is a reason that measles has re-appeared in North America.
      This is true, but there is a difference between measles and VD when it comes to methods of communicability. We're not talking about diseases that can be transmitted through the air.
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      • #4
        It's news to me that vaccinations aren't exclusively done at your own Dr's office. Although in agreement with the above this is hard to fathom.
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        • #5
          It's a public health issue. Some parents have a problem with getting their kids vaccinated against a virus that is sexually transmitted, but I for one would rather have fewer women dying of cervical cancer if that's an option.

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          • #6
            I keep hearing the vaccine doesn't last that long... As a woman now 40, without HPV... I take issue with assuming that children will get it... I especially take issue with a school deciding if my child needs it or not. They can barely teach now a days... Not comfy with their medical backgrounds.

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            • #7
              I don't believe one vaccine is worse than another, but, I do believe mixing four or five of them can cause harm.. Since they have been doing so, autism has skyrocketed and as a parent it is my right to know and make the decision if I want my child to have these vaccines.. And it is rumored that some have mercury in them.. I cannot prove it, but, some doctor told me this..
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              • #8
                The CA legislature is notorious for passing dumb bills. I happen to agree with this bill. Read
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                • #9
                  You can email the Governor Brown directly here: Office of Governor Edmund G. Brown Jr. - Contact Be sure to add the phrase "VETO AB499" in your email response.

                  Like I said before, whether one is for or against vaccines is really not the issue. If you feel parents should be notified and/or give consent before their child is vaccinated at school, please do take action. If this is passed in one state it may not be long before it is passed in others. I personally do not want my choice and awareness as a parent to be taken away. If shots can be given to your child at school without you knowing, what is next?

                  I would personally prefer to have a school tell me my child could not attend w/out xyz vaccines before having them vaccinate my child without telling me.
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                  • #10
                    First off, I am very pro vaccination, with 2 fully vaxed kids. However, I would fight tooth and nail against this one.
                    I am not an anti-government type, but this truly is scary if this is the case. Vaccination of my kid without my consent. Where does it end?

                    And Gardisil is not the cervical cancer cure-all. And this is coming from someone who has had multiple abnormal paps, HPV, cyrotherapy, etc. There are some real risks to Gardisil. Just read. Also this is a STD, not a communicable disease that spreads through the air. And they are pushing it on our daughters...why not vaccinate our sons too so they don't pass it to the girls? I mean let's all me responsible for wiping out cervical cancer.

                    Plus, with routine paps and early intervention, cervical cancer is very treatable. Yes, it can be deadly. But how about a little personal responsiblity for our own health care?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jhc View Post
                      Parents should always be notified of the vaccination process.

                      That being said, to my mind it would be perfectly acceptable to deny a child access to public schools on the basis that they are un-vaccinated. There is a reason that measles has re-appeared in North America.
                      And kids had measles and survived it just fine long before forced vaccinations came around. As a matter of fact, my mom took me to a friends house who had the measles just so I could get it while off from school and on her schedule. Somehow I survived that abuse. I also drank water from a garden hose, rode a bike without a helmet, skinned off various parts of my body and healed up without the use of antibiotics, and (gasp), managed to avoid contracting a life threatening disease despite not having a mother following me around with a bottle of hand sanitizer to scrub me down every time I got dirty.

                      But what do you expect from today's education prison cam.....um, pubic schools?

                      Why the next thing you know, they will be handcuffing little kids for talking during class.....sorry what? Oh, my bad, they are already starting that.

                      First Graders Handcuffed At Chicago School, Told They Were Going To Prison: Lawsuit

                      The school allegedly authorized on-campus security to discipline disruptive first graders, Fox Chicago reports. The children who were considered disruptive were then allegedly handcuffed for an hour and sent to an office, where they were told "they were going to prison and would never see their parents again," attorney Michael Carin told the Tribune.
                      Being denied access to a governmental forced indoctrination institute (GFII or Public School) is a good thing.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hedonist View Post
                        The CA legislature is notorious for passing dumb bills. I happen to agree with this bill. Read
                        Here is ta statement written about the cons of the bill from the site I linked above: http://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Port...vVetoAB499.pdf

                        *If* the bill were used only in the way described in the link you posted, I can see how it could be wonderful. It is difficult to predict how such a bill/law would be used in the future. As it could be used to give (mass?) vaccinations to 12 year olds at school without parental consent or awareness, it is just unnerving to me as a parent. Thanks very much for posting 'the other side' of the issue.

                        As an aside, I was under the impression that Planned Parenthood gave free birth control as well as gynecological (etc) care to teens without needing parental consent. In California, they do give abortions without requiring parental consent. Parental Consent and Notification Laws (Not the same as getting preventative vaccinations I know...)
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                        • #13
                          Some discussion on the issue on the MDC forums for those interested: CA bill (AB 499) would allow 12 year olds to consent to certain vaccines without parental knowledge

                          Something else on the topic: Stealth Vaccine Laws Allow Children to Consent to Vaccines

                          I'm really glad Hedonist posted, as its not a black/white issue. I'd be interested in learning more about the medical care currently available to teens who do not get parental consent (as that seems to be the major focus of the bill). I absolutely believe in teens having access to condoms, sex ed, pregnancy and std prevention information as well as std testing etc. without needing parental consent...
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                          • #14
                            I think this debate could be seen from the opposite point of view. How about instead of "taking away a parent's right to know/choose" for their child, what if it were framed as "giving a teen the right to make their own decision without having to tell the disapproving parents"? Yes PP does give out care for free but how is a tween supposed to get themselves there without parents knowing? If the vaccine is available at school, she can get it and be safer without dealing with the parents who think she is still going to be a virgin when she gets married so she doesn't need the shot.

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                            • #15
                              Considering that there are increases in cases of mumps and the like throughout the east - I'm ok with CA's choice, even if it is only restricted to vaccines for STDs.

                              I feel that parental consent should only be an important factor if they actually understand the point and value of a vaccine. I also think vaccines should be required for access to public services such as public schooling.
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