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  • #76
    Originally posted by Rosegin View Post
    Forgive me for refusing to pump my children full of chemicals to avoid normal, mostly harmless childhood diseases.
    Yeah, scarlet fever is totally harmless. Especially when an unvaccinated seven-year-old contracts it, goes to the doctor, and spreads it to the three-month-old infant in the waiting room.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Maleficarum View Post
      I have a huge problem with a childless lesbian removing my rights as a parent to decide what is medically appropriate care for my children. If she introduced a law letting my poodle make medical decisions... i might feel more comfortable about it.
      Oh, so if she were a heterosexual mother of three, you'd be fine and dandy with it?

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      • #78
        Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
        I would love to see long-term studies on girls who have gotten the vaccine back when it was first offered, and see if there have been any effects over that time. I'm not saying the bad outweighs the good in this case. I honestly don't know, and I don't think there is enough information out there yet to make a truly informed decision, at least when it comes to mandating its use. Thalidomide looked like a great idea in the beginning too, and we all know how that went horribly wrong.



        The reason most things turn into a case of individual rights is because we see that as the basis of our country here in the U.S. That's a HUGE deal to us. And raising kids the way we see fit is large part of that.

        Let's put it this way. The people in government (school and state) that think Gardisil is a great idea are the very same people that think "low fat and healthy whole grains" are the optimal way to eat. So maybe one day you send your kid to school with a lunch you packed because you felt it was healthy for her. She had some homemade beef jerky and a few almonds and a hard-cooked egg and probably a bag of fresh berries. Only the school nurse happened to walk by and see it, and she felt you made the wrong food choices. She replaced the lunch you packed with low fat peanut butter and jelly on whole wheat bread, a low fat pudding cup and a diet cola. "But you don't have to tell your parents - we know you probably can't talk to them about it, and this is really what's best for you."

        Would you be upset? I'd be livid! It is not an accepted medical fact that Gardisil is 100% good, just like a low fat whole wheat sandwich isn't. The only difference is that the vaccination is of an even greater magnitude of interference with parental decisions.
        +1 thread... im glad someone else sees the irony of a forum dedicated to questioning conventional wisdom being divided on an issue of trusting conventional wisdom or questioning the motives of corporate greed.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Sudenveri View Post
          Oh, so if she were a heterosexual mother of three, you'd be fine and dandy with it?
          i would be more comfortable with someone who represents me in government making this kind of decision. as a heterosexual male with three children i do not feel that this particular representative is a strong advocate of my cohort. This is a parent vs. non-parent issue... i do not believe people without children can ever understand the depth of love a parent has for a child. it is an impossible scenario... i dont care how many pets you have... it is never the same.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Sudenveri View Post
            Yeah, scarlet fever is totally harmless. Especially when an unvaccinated seven-year-old contracts it, goes to the doctor, and spreads it to the three-month-old infant in the waiting room.
            And that does happen.

            When I was pregnant with my 1st child, my boss's daughter came in to visit her dad at work. Being fairly well along in my pregnancy, I was a kid magnet, and she seemed fascinated with my belly.

            A couple of days later, my boss called in a panic. His daughter had been to the doctor and was diagnosed with scarlet fever. Here I am, pregnant and avoiding anything chemical (artificial sweeteners, meds, whatever). Now my obstetrician is telling me I pretty much HAVE to take meds because once I have the symptoms it's too late and it could affect my baby.
            Durp.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Maleficarum View Post
              +1 thread... im glad someone else sees the irony of a forum dedicated to questioning conventional wisdom being divided on an issue of trusting conventional wisdom or questioning the motives of corporate greed.
              I was coming on again to post the exact same thing LOL!

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                Hoo boy! I'm done with this thread. There is no point in arguing with willful ignorance.

                Paleobird, over and out.
                Don't feel too bad about it. Every single lifestyle forum has antivax nutcases. There's a always a brutal Darwinian solution to their willfull stupidity like the measles epidemic in the UK a few years back to bring vaccination rates back up.

                It's just a shame that it's the kids who have to suffer instead of the adults.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Legbiter View Post
                  Don't feel too bad about it. Every single lifestyle forum has antivax nutcases. There's a always a brutal Darwinian solution to their willfull stupidity like the measles epidemic in the UK a few years back to bring vaccination rates back up.

                  It's just a shame that it's the kids who have to suffer instead of the adults.
                  This is not merely an anti-vax/pro-vax issue IMO. Multiple posters who have stated they are pro vaccination and have fully vaccinated their children are also concerned about the impact of this bill. It is an issue of parental consent and awareness of invasive preventative medical treatments. Clearly there are many sides to this issue, but it is not as simple as being for or against vaccines.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by FairyRae View Post
                    This is not merely an anti-vax/pro-vax issue IMO. Multiple posters who have stated they are pro vaccination and have fully vaccinated their children are also concerned about the impact of this bill. It is an issue of parental consent and awareness of invasive preventative medical treatments. Clearly there are many sides to this issue, but it is not as simple as being for or against vaccines.
                    Yeah I know and of course my comment is not directed at them.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Legbiter View Post
                      Don't feel too bad about it. Every single lifestyle forum has antivax nutcases. There's a always a brutal Darwinian solution to their willfull stupidity like the measles epidemic in the UK a few years back to bring vaccination rates back up.

                      It's just a shame that it's the kids who have to suffer instead of the adults.
                      just curious, but how is your "willful stupidity" working out for you... in regards to nutrition? does going against conventional wisdom work for you? or are you just here to educate all of us about how the government and corporations have our ignorant, best interests at heart?

                      i will never understand the venom and spite that the vac/anti-vac issue creates in a community. Especially telling is how quickly those who do vaccinate chose to attack those who do not. if your vaccines worked how they are supposed to then your children should have nothing to fear from those who are not vaccinated. where does this fear come from... and why do those who chose not to vaccinate have a greater sense of peace and even calm about the same issue?

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Sudenveri View Post
                        Yeah, scarlet fever is totally harmless. Especially when an unvaccinated seven-year-old contracts it, goes to the doctor, and spreads it to the three-month-old infant in the waiting room.
                        I also see this as being irresponsible, but not because the parents didn't vaccinate their child. Vaccinated children have a risk of contracting diseases, too. Regardless of whether a person is vaccinated or not, it is their responsibility to let the doctor's office know their symptoms ahead of time and it is then the responsibility of the doctor's office to make sure the patient isn't in contact with other patients. When my child had two wounds oozing pus on her leg, they told us not to come in through the front door because we could risk getting any small children or pregnant women in the waiting room infected. (And it turned out to just be infected bug bites from scratching too much, btw. )
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                        • #87
                          [QUOTE=RitaRose;557948]I would love to see long-term studies on girls who have gotten the vaccine back when it was first offered, and see if there have been any effects over that time. I'm not saying the bad outweighs the good in this case. I honestly don't know, and I don't think there is enough information out there yet to make a truly informed decision, at least when it comes to mandating its use. Thalidomide looked like a great idea in the beginning too, and we all know how that went horribly wrong.

                          What would you like to know. I had the vaccine when it was first offered as did everyone else I know who was under 25 at the time (it was free). There were no side effects when I had it and there are none now. No one else I know has had any reactions either. Here in Australia it is offered as part of our routine school vaccination program. You can be a conscientious objector if you wish.

                          Obviously it's a small sample size.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Sudenveri View Post
                            Yeah, scarlet fever is totally harmless. Especially when an unvaccinated seven-year-old contracts it, goes to the doctor, and spreads it to the three-month-old infant in the waiting room.
                            There is no scarlet fever vaccine. Scarlet fever is caused by a the same bacteria as strep throat and is cured with antibiotics.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Athanasey View Post
                              What would you like to know. I had the vaccine when it was first offered as did everyone else I know who was under 25 at the time (it was free). There were no side effects when I had it and there are none now. No one else I know has had any reactions either. Here in Australia it is offered as part of our routine school vaccination program. You can be a conscientious objector if you wish.

                              Obviously it's a small sample size.
                              Glad it worked for you. It probably works fine for most people. That doesn't mean there isn't a definite down side for others, and it's not the school's decision as to whether the risk is worth it or not for someone's child. Until it has been proven to be both necessary and effective for the overwhelming majority of the population, it shouldn't be offered to children without their parents' expressed desire to have them vaccinated, and never without their knowledge and permission.


                              Again, I'm not against vaccines. Both my kids were fully vaccinated, but I would not have given them this one. And I absolutely would have flipped if they had given my kids any vaccines without my knowledge or permission. I'M the one that has to deal with any side effects or lingering issues, not the school district.
                              Durp.

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