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  • Originally posted by Owly View Post
    It is entirely possible for a man to be under 6'5" and weigh around 250 while still being lean. My partner is 6'3" and 245 pounds with 8-9% body fat. He has a furniture delivery business and thus lifts heavy things on a daily basis, so over the years he's build up a lot of very solid muscle. He shocks people when he tells them how much he weighs--according to BMI, he's obese, but he has a 32" waist.
    Its definitely possible but not in Griff's case he is not a lot of muscle.

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    • Originally posted by Sue View Post
      Its definitely possible but not in Griff's case he is not a lot of muscle.
      Perhaps, but the poster I was responding to claimed it was impossible for any man under 6'5" to weigh 250 and be lean, which is false.
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      • Originally posted by Owly View Post
        Perhaps, but the poster I was responding to claimed it was impossible for any man under 6'5" to weigh 250 and be lean, which is false.
        What page would that be on? I'd like to read that.
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        • Originally posted by davem View Post
          What page would that be on? I'd like to read that.
          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post543837
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          • me thinks Tre never got in a fist fight with a samoan.
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            • hee hee everytime i see that word "Samoan" i think simultaneously of Hunter S Thompson's att'y and Girl Scout Cookies.

              btw, owly, wouldn't you say that your post only shows that it's RARE that such a big guy would be "lean", else why would there be such constant surprise at the low BF status of your SO?

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              • Originally posted by Catherine View Post
                hee hee everytime i see that word "Samoan" i think simultaneously of Hunter S Thompson's att'y and Girl Scout Cookies.

                btw, owly, wouldn't you say that your post only shows that it's RARE that such a big guy would be "lean", else why would there be such constant surprise at the low BF status of your SO?
                I think it actually shows how poorly people judge the body weight of muscular individuals. I recently had somebody guess my weight at 40 pounds less than I am, which was way off, but 20 pounds under is not uncommon. I'm just over the line into overweight but recently fit back into an adorable Betsy Johnson dress I haven't been able to wear for a while--it's a size 6, which is only a plus size in "The Devil Wears Prada". Many athletic people in my circle of acquaintance are overweight or obese in BMI terms, but you'd never think that by looking at them.
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                • well, I was at 5'7" and 260 and obese. now at 47, I am 190lb and 13% BF and people are surprised at high heavy I am. they guess 170 or so. for many years, I never had big medical issue at 240, but as I got older/stressed, it finally got me and my weight climbed and my health started to get worse. finding primal nutrition and working out got me down in 6 month. I do feel great now. never want to go back to where i was.

                  you can have decent health at relatively high weight when you are young, but it will catch up with you. much better to get down to more reasonable BF % .

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                  • Originally posted by DFH View Post
                    Yep.

                    It cracks me up when I see so many guys posting shirtless pics to show off, as if their muscle shapes make them smart or worth believing. Just about every single bodybuilding site has them. "Look at me, believe me." No thanks. I would much rather believe someone that learned about how to overcome a problem and has some real experience than someone that never had to go through it and they think their fitness makes them smart.

                    A lot of the showoffs are doing supplements they can't admit, and some of them would be just as fit eating pizza to be honest.
                    I'm not one of the shirtless posters like, say, Mark Sisson, and I even tend to think that the general ideal of the forum is on the skinny and weak side.

                    But to say that if anyone is lean, it must be because they are roiding is insane. Do you even know what you are talking about? There are tell-tale signs of steroid use that jump out to anyone who knows what they are looking for in a picture-disproportionate growth in muscle groups with higher concentrations of testosterone receptors, etc. I've yet to see anyone on here that has any of those signs. Plus, the idea that steroids mean you can eat whatever you want is absolutely false. Most people who use steroids for aesthetic purposes essentially have ortherexia- they eat only a few approved foods and weigh them. That's precisely because you can't just eat whatever you want and look like a bodybuilder(as lame as I think that look is). Steroids primarily allow you to recover faster and add more muscle mass. Some of the cutting steroids, like winstrol, are better suited for leaning out, but they are hardly a free pass to eat whatever you want-quite the opposite, it's pointless to take them without a corresponding diet. Unlimited-class powerlifters probably have more steroids in their systems than anyone, yet are sitting at 30+% bodyfat, because they eat what they want.

                    Do you mean genetics? Because there are genetics that allow people to look "great" with a crappy diet. But you can't blame people for their genes, which wouldn't allow you to insinuate that they are "cheating" in order to feel better about yourself, which is really the point of that comment, isn't it?
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                    • you just don't get it, flat earther.
                      My Fitday public journal.
                      Me vs. Russian Boar, hunt is on Aug. 20th. WHAT'S MORE PRIMAL THAN THAT?!
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                      • Oh man, Griff, what about
                        Look Good Naked?

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                        • I don't get what there is to discuss here. If health is your goal, a healthy weight is a natural consequence of aiming for health. A symptom of health is a healthy weight, being overweight is a symptom of poor health.

                          To me the choice is- health (and healthy weight as a part of that), or focus on appearance/ getting very lean. As long as those who make appearance/ leanness a high priority aren't choosing to overdo that at the expense of their health, I have no issue with it, although personally I prefer not to focus on appearance for philosophical reasons lol. Prioritising weightloss over long term health is not a great choice, but I haven't seen many people here doing that, except those with body image/ eating disorder issues.
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                          • For me, my health is a mystery. As in I haven't had any ailments or problems that I needed to see a doctor about in years, so I have no idea if anything is wrong for me. I can't afford to see a doctor now either so my goals for Primal are about weight loss because I don't think I have any health issues that need fixing.
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                            • Originally posted by Coconut View Post
                              In regards to the original posting of this tread... regardless what all the 'research' says, I have never ever seen a fat centurion. When ever they report on the news that someone has reached 100... they are NEVER fat. Most restrict calories or only eat twice a day. Perhaps it depends on your version of 'long lived'.. but being fat does NOT help you live longer.
                              I had two great aunts who lived to over 100. One lived to 103, the other to 104. They were not skinny. They were certainly not obese, but definitely a bit hefty. As they aged, they sort of shrank. They got noticeably shorter and smaller. I think that having a little extra weight protected them, I think. This may only be the case after one reaches a certain age, though. In case of injury or illness, there is a little fat to survive on.

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                              • Originally posted by Owly View Post
                                It is entirely possible for a man to be under 6'5" and weigh around 250 while still being lean. My partner is 6'3" and 245 pounds with 8-9% body fat. He has a furniture delivery business and thus lifts heavy things on a daily basis, so over the years he's build up a lot of very solid muscle. He shocks people when he tells them how much he weighs--according to BMI, he's obese, but he has a 32" waist.
                                Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have said "no way;" strictly speaking, it is possible. I'm just not convinced that anyone who's 6'3 245 lbs hasn't done a prohormone cycle at the very least -- if he hasn't, then he sure as heck needs to get into competing.

                                I know this thread is long over, but I just thought I'd post my thoughts...not that there's any need to start arguing about semantics or whatnot...I'm out.

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