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  • True Hunger vs Toxic Hunger

    I was watching health show featuring Dr. Joel Fuhlman the other night. He talked about something called 'toxic hunger'. I went to find out more about this and found a blog he posted on. In the post he mentions that toxic hunger is felt in the stomach and isn't really hunger at all, but is actually our bodies detoxing. Real hunger is felt in the back of the throat.

    Is this doctor full of shit or have I not been experiencing true hunger all these years? Since my teenage years (as far back as I can remember for experiencing hunger pains), I thought that my stomach cramping and growling, light-headedness, and weakness was because I was hungry. Was I wrong? And if hunger is felt in the back of the throat, what exactly does that feel like?
    I'm retraining and strengthening my taste buds, one primal meal at a time.

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    That's very interesting. I have no idea. Keep us posted please.





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    • #3
      I'm not sure if this is the same person (not sure of spelling of his last name), but there's a doctor with a similar name who is a shill for PETA and constantly criticizes all low-carb eating plans. If this is the same guy, then he really is a jerk, and I would pay no attention to anything he says. He always has an agenda of some kind.

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      • #4
        What an absolute load of crap! "detoxing" is a largely imaginary process. What is important to distinguish in "hunger feelings" is hypoglycemic "hunger" - panicky, shaky-hands, irritable hunger, with "hey dude I'm gonna need some food eventually to keep this whole 'living' thing going" stomach-message. The latter is a clear but calm and consistent message that is easy to ignore for hours if you choose to.
        If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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        • #5
          Did some more searching, and hunger in the back of the throat supposedly feels like thirst and it makes your mouth water. Now I feel even more confused. If this is true, then wouldn't all that "if you're feeling hungry, it could be thirst" stuff I read about be false?

          On a side note, this thread already shows up 5th in the Google results for "how is hunger in the back of the throat felt." Amazing!
          I'm retraining and strengthening my taste buds, one primal meal at a time.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by emmie View Post
            I'm not sure if this is the same person (not sure of spelling of his last name), but there's a doctor with a similar name who is a shill for PETA and constantly criticizes all low-carb eating plans. If this is the same guy, then he really is a jerk, and I would pay no attention to anything he says. He always has an agenda of some kind.
            Oh, I think it is the same person. I misspelled his last name. It should be Fuhrman, not Fuhlman. Thanks for the warning about him.
            I'm retraining and strengthening my taste buds, one primal meal at a time.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tfarny View Post
              What an absolute load of crap! "detoxing" is a largely imaginary process. What is important to distinguish in "hunger feelings" is hypoglycemic "hunger" - panicky, shaky-hands, irritable hunger, with "hey dude I'm gonna need some food eventually to keep this whole 'living' thing going" stomach-message. The latter is a clear but calm and consistent message that is easy to ignore for hours if you choose to.
              I never heard specifically of hypoglycemic hunger, just hypoglycemia and I thought that was just for diabetics. After looking it up, however, it appears that this is something non-diabetic people can experience, too. Interesting stuff.
              I'm retraining and strengthening my taste buds, one primal meal at a time.

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              • #8
                i still believe what a lot of people feel as hunger in their belly is actually thirst

                most people associate thirst with a dry mouth but thats not the only sign
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mike Gager View Post
                  i still believe what a lot of people feel as hunger in their belly is actually thirst

                  most people associate thirst with a dry mouth but thats not the only sign
                  Now I'm wondering. I found Dr. Fuhrman's blog and a post about stress hunger. Someone in the comments section mentioned how her stomach rumblings would disappear after a few hours if she waited it out. Thinking about it, I've had similar experiences where I couldn't get to food right away when I was hungry (or thought I was?) and the hunger pains and lightheaded went away.

                  Just when I thought I was getting in tune with my hunger, now I'm back to wondering what is hunger. The past 5 weeks I've been eating whenever hunger pains were felt in my stomach, but maybe that's not enough for weight loss since I haven't lost any lbs.
                  I'm retraining and strengthening my taste buds, one primal meal at a time.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tfarny View Post
                    What an absolute load of crap! "detoxing" is a largely imaginary process.
                    So, the body doesn't store and release things that have been put in it? The body doesn't clean and repair itself while you sleep? Interesting.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lily Marie View Post
                      So, the body doesn't store and release things that have been put in it? The body doesn't clean and repair itself while you sleep? Interesting.
                      Detoxing gets a bad name from all the nonsense that comes with the term. Drink this sugar water/juice mix to detox and lose 10 pounds in 48 hours! Wear this magnetic band and pull all the toxins from your body! With our miracle snake oil you will be detoxed and beautiful in just 3 weeks and 5 simple installments of $19.95...

                      I am not saying there are not legitemate detox techniques (though I admit to not knowing any) but the term is used by many a charlatan.

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                      • #12
                        Dude's full of shit.

                        However, I'd like to hope that when people feel a hunger in their belly, it's drive.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lily Marie View Post
                          So, the body doesn't store and release things that have been put in it? The body doesn't clean and repair itself while you sleep? Interesting.
                          Of course it does. That's not "detox" that's called normal metabolic functioning. "Detox" is a word used to sell purgatives and various snake-oil crap by making it sound sciencey. You don't get a "certain feeling" when the body is "detoxing" and drinking horse urine won't remove mercury and agent orange from your epithelial cells.
                          If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Heidi View Post
                            Oh, I think it is the same person. I misspelled his last name. It should be Fuhrman, not Fuhlman. Thanks for the warning about him.
                            Definitely the same person. I followed Eat to Live for a while, and "toxic hunger" is a phrase that gets tossed around their forums more frequently than "bacon" gets tossed around on MDA's forums (though both forums have the same rate of use of "SAD"). I searched for the elusive "true hunger" as opposed to the "toxic hunger" while I was on ETL. Unfortunately, with grains and pulses involved I never "experienced" that magical state.

                            In the end I came to the same conclusion as tfarny. I think detoxing is bullshit.

                            That said, my hunger state HAS changed since going paleo/primal. Prior, and especially on vegan diets like Fuhrman's, my hunger was accompanied by shakes, headaches, and mental confusion (i.e., classic hypoglycemia). Now it's more like, "Oh, hey, I need to eat." I can even walk through a grocery store without the urge to rip down the beef jerky rack and gorge myself on salty treats! It's so maaagicaaaal.

                            Fuhrman's diet is basically the same whole foods vegan schlock you'll find from other vegan docs: low fat, high carb, no refined carbs, lots of veggies, lots of pulses, and a good dose of luck (cuz you'll need it to stick to it).
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by onalark View Post
                              Prior, and especially on vegan diets like Fuhrman's, my hunger was accompanied by shakes, headaches, and mental confusion (i.e., classic hypoglycemia). Now it's more like, "Oh, hey, I need to eat." I can even walk through a grocery store without the urge to rip down the beef jerky rack and gorge myself on salty treats! It's so maaagicaaaal.
                              Yeah, same here. It's more of a biological need to fuel instead of a psychological rush to get the next fix.
                              Durp.

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