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    Hello TigerLily...

    You mentioned amino acids in another thread I started (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread35762-2.html) and I am curious about them... why you take them and how they help you.

    Thanks!

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    TigerLily explains in detail what she takes and why in this thread. She's one of the first posters in it. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread19847.html

    HTH!
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    • #3
      healthy11, I had great success with amino acids for depression, and so have two of my friends, following the protocols in "The Mood Cure" by Julia Ross. My plan involved mostly l-tyrosine, omega-3s and vitamin D. Another friend followed "The Diet Cure" and has done well with that also... I really recommend the books.

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      • #4
        I can offer a bit of info and experience with amino acid supplements. For me, they help a LOT but they aren't enough on their own. They do help, though.

        The kinds and their effects are:

        Tyrosine for dopamine, which is alertness, motivation, energy, etc. Basically what people drink coffee for.
        5htp and tryptophan are for serotonin. Both help with sweet cravings.
        Glutamine is a rapid brain-blood sugar correction, it stops insistent sugar cravings.
        DLPA is for low endorphin and also has a hand in fighting sweet cravings. I actually find that DLPA+ PEA foods like cocoa is pretty effective. And I'm a serious chocoholic.

        There's GABA for helping you relax and sleep.

        There's also others that Ross doesn't specifically recommend, things like lysine, arginine and so on. I think there's another one that's explicitly meant to amp up a neurotransmitter. Acetylcholine, I think. Though I could have misspelt that I was reading somewhere that this one gets run down from heavy aspartame use, so I ought to look into it.

        They have two levels of effect. You should feel them do something within about 10min. They tend to hit me within less than 5, though. This effect only lasts about 2 hours. You then have to take another dose. They also will work on a more long-term level to heal neurochemical shortfalls. In my experience, this DOES happen, but it really does take months.

        But they are tremendously useful. In my case, I just needed stronger meds on top of them. But give them a shot.
        Getting my Grok on in the Pacific Northwest.

        "C is for cookie, that's good enough for me."
        "Cookie is a sometimes food."
        "Sometimes cookie monster eat APPLE instead of COOKIE. Sometimes eat CARROT."
        -Cookie Monster, partially reformed sugarholic

        "

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        • #5
          CandylandCanary, that's a really good summary. One more thing - if you're taking amino acids as a mood supplement, you want to take them on an empty stomach/between meals. According to Ross, taking them with food (especially another protein) renders them pretty much useless.
          Last edited by paleo_hailey; 08-15-2011, 09:47 AM.

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          • #6
            Seconding the between meals thing. The aminos have to compete with any other protein in your stomach to get into your bloodstream- and therefore into your brain. I like to take mine first thing in the morning, and then IF for about 3 hours. I actually find too, that contrary to current CW, it really doesn't pay to eat every 4 hours. If you do that, it's a pain in the butt to coordinate amino doses sufficiently far from the last meal. It's a hell of a lot easier if you eat three meals, or even two big ones.

            But in general, you want to wait at least 60min since your last meal to take them. I actually like to wait more like 2hrs minimum. Give them about an hour to sink in before you eat anything after, too.

            If you need a FAST pick me up, there's tinctures of things like siberian ginseng or rhodiola, as well as passiflora and so on for relaxation. These go under your tongue, so they can be taken anytime. Same for glutamine.
            Getting my Grok on in the Pacific Northwest.

            "C is for cookie, that's good enough for me."
            "Cookie is a sometimes food."
            "Sometimes cookie monster eat APPLE instead of COOKIE. Sometimes eat CARROT."
            -Cookie Monster, partially reformed sugarholic

            "

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            • #7
              Thanks for the info! I put The Mood Cure on hold at the library. I bought 5-HTP a couple of years ago when I went off of anti-depressants, but never really gave it a chance. I have crazy PMS depression and mood swings and I am hoping to relieve that with some of that. I have a tendency towards depressiveness kind of in general.

              Can anyone recommend good brands of amino acids... 5-HTP in particular?

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              • #8
                Nature's way 5-htp is the brand TigerLily and I have both found success with. HTH!
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                • #9
                  Thank you, FairyRae... I think that is the one I bought before.

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                  • #10
                    Ok, I thought about posting separately but this is related to aminos intake.

                    I have heard it recommended to eat something sugary with amino acids to raise insulin enough to better drive amino acids into the brain. This is supposed to be particularly effective with l-tryptophan because carbs also help increase serotonin levels. I read it in mood cure or the other book on aminos etc etc except I am not going to do fruit juices to accomplish this.

                    I have considered a bolus of honey or blackstrap molasses but I would prefer something with less fructose, but also conveniently handy (don't want to prepare rice or some other starch every time I take an amino).

                    What would work? I just now thought of Xylitol which is an artificial sweetener apparently with an insulingenic effect. But anyone have ideas?

                    Ah maybe I will post separately

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                    • #11
                      I haven't heard about taking aminos with something fast-carb. I guess it could work. You'd want to not have protein with it, that's all, to avoid that amino acid competition effect. I dunno, I guess if you find that you can tolerate glucose foods, you could try it.

                      I think anything carby with no protein would do it. You could have a piece of high-carb fruit like mango or banana, maybe. You could try the whole PNP thing (as much as it pains me to say ANYTHING nice about that rotten woman, lol)... and have a bit of potato. Watermelon is pretty sugary, that would do it. Honestly, you could do it with a coke if you wanted. Sugar is sugar. Maybe a teaspoon of honey?

                      I use xylitol sometimes, and haven't noticed much of an insulin effect... but I actually have pretty steady blood sugar when I'm off real carbs anyway. My main observation about xylitol is that it doesn't have the dopamine effect that stevia does. I'm not sure why.
                      Getting my Grok on in the Pacific Northwest.

                      "C is for cookie, that's good enough for me."
                      "Cookie is a sometimes food."
                      "Sometimes cookie monster eat APPLE instead of COOKIE. Sometimes eat CARROT."
                      -Cookie Monster, partially reformed sugarholic

                      "

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CandylandCanary View Post
                        I can offer a bit of info and experience with amino acid supplements. For me, they help a LOT but they aren't enough on their own. They do help, though.

                        The kinds and their effects are:

                        Tyrosine for dopamine, which is alertness, motivation, energy, etc. Basically what people drink coffee for.
                        5htp and tryptophan are for serotonin. Both help with sweet cravings.
                        Glutamine is a rapid brain-blood sugar correction, it stops insistent sugar cravings.
                        DLPA is for low endorphin and also has a hand in fighting sweet cravings. I actually find that DLPA+ PEA foods like cocoa is pretty effective. And I'm a serious chocoholic.

                        There's GABA for helping you relax and sleep.

                        There's also others that Ross doesn't specifically recommend, things like lysine, arginine and so on. I think there's another one that's explicitly meant to amp up a neurotransmitter. Acetylcholine, I think. Though I could have misspelt that I was reading somewhere that this one gets run down from heavy aspartame use, so I ought to look into it.

                        They have two levels of effect. You should feel them do something within about 10min. They tend to hit me within less than 5, though. This effect only lasts about 2 hours. You then have to take another dose. They also will work on a more long-term level to heal neurochemical shortfalls. In my experience, this DOES happen, but it really does take months.

                        But they are tremendously useful. In my case, I just needed stronger meds on top of them. But give them a shot.
                        I have to report back and thank several of you for your awesome input. I went and bought both The Diet Cure and The Mood Cure, already knowing that my issues were more related to dopamine, my whacked out adrenals and thyroid and anything else long term, chronic sleep deprivation and a two year period of significant stress can cause. I then went and spent a good wad of dough at a couple of health food stores, and I'm glad I did. One of the main things I knew I wanted to address was my major caffeine addiction. The tyrosine has helped hugely with that. I've already dramatically decreased the amount of coffee I normally drank in a day - and I feel energized and alert! I'm not even taking much - that's the amazing part. I'm also taking a few others - one to help with sleep (also working), one for mental focus, which was already somewhat improved with the tyrosine alone, as well as others which are just helpful in general with adrenal and thyroid problems.

                        I'm still in shock at what a difference I feel as a result of adding nothing but amino acids. Amazing!

                        I'll post these in the other threads that are also related to the AA's. Thanks again, gals!
                        Last edited by GoJenGo; 08-24-2011, 08:10 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Yay GoJenGo!!
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                          • #14
                            Here I am, arriving late to the party. I'm glad to see that others have been helped by AAs. This makes me so happy inside, because this stuff truly does have the power to change lives. But don't underestimate the power of a nice massage and yoga and being out in nature, too. It's Nature's Way brand of 5-HTP, specifically. Every person I know who has really felt a difference has used this brand for their 5-HTP. (See other thread for a more in-depth discussion as to why.)
                            "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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