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    Ok guys, I've done IF for several months (16/8, 2 meals per day), lost too much weight and screwed myself all over, possibly my thyroid and adrenals (even though my levels are so so). I'm fatigued (better now), have some numbness on my right ass and right foot (not sure if it's related to the overall problem).

    I've quit IF and gone back to 3 meals a day, breakfast, lunch and dinner. I'm feeling a bit better now... I guess IF is not for me.

    I've read around the web that if indeed I'm suffering from thyroid or adrenal issues (fatigue) that I shouldn't go for longer than 6 hours without eating? The problem is that from lunch to dinner I do end up with more than 6 hours without eating. I'm just not hungry. I thought about throwing down some milk in the late afternoon so I don't have to chew anything, but it just seems wrong to eat without hunger. On the other hand, I just want to get better. Here's my day more or less:

    BREAKFAST - 8 AM
    LUNCH - 1.30 PM
    DINNER - 9.15 PM

    Breakfast to lunch is 5.30 hours, and lunch to dinner is +7 hours without eating.

    That is the the time when I stop eating. Not sure if I should count the time when I start or end up eating but in either case the times above are when I finish my meals. I'm well satiated throghout the day, I'm just scared if I'm impairing my health recovery speed process or not and if I should force myself to drink some milk or fruit or something at around 7PM or so.

    Even though I'm not hungry, in the afternoon I end up stressing over food and thinking about food, and this is just too OBSESSIVE of a behavior for my linking.
    Last edited by JPA; 08-05-2011, 06:15 AM.

  • #2
    Could you eat a smaller lunch?

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    • #3
      I wouldn't worry about it too much.

      The people writing about leptin talk about the importance of no snacking. Mastering Leptin says space meals out during the day to 5-6 hrs and don't eat a few hours before bed. Going one more hour doesn't seem like something that will make a big change.

      I think based on that, your spacing is not that much to worry about, but you're eating dinner later. Are you eating dinner close to bedtime? Why not just eat dinner a bit earlier?

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      • #4
        Interesting point DFH, that I often considered... I've read lots of people saying they have dinner at 6PM but that's just too weird for me... I'm from Portugal, we have a lot of hours with sun, and over here people usually have dinner between 9-10PM, usually later like 11PM (not uncommon). Maybe people in the US have dinner so early because they have less hours of sunlight.

        I usually finish eating dinner at 9, 9.30PM and I go to bed at 10-10.30PM.

        The whole 6 hours without eating business scares a me a bit still... I'm basically going for 7h30minutes without eating from lunch to dinner. And then there's my small numbness in the buttock to worry about as well. On the other hand i'm not sure if adding milk in the late afternoon, like say, at 7PM is even going to to anything to improve my condition.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JPA View Post
          Even though I'm not hungry, in the afternoon I end up stressing over food and thinking about food, and this is just too OBSESSIVE of a behavior for my linking.
          If you are not *really* hungry, as in IF hungry after 14-16 hours, your urges to eat are a product of boredom. At least from my experience, the boredom is still sometimes 'stronger' than hunger, 2/3 of the day without putting anything in my mouth except water and black coffee can be booo-ring. So I sympathize.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by JPA View Post
            Interesting point DFH, that I often considered... I've read lots of people saying they have dinner at 6PM but that's just too weird for me... I'm from Portugal, we have a lot of hours with sun, and over here people usually have dinner between 9-10PM, usually later like 11PM (not uncommon). Maybe people in the US have dinner so early because they have less hours of sunlight.

            I usually finish eating dinner at 9, 9.30PM and I go to bed at 10-10.30PM.

            The whole 6 hours without eating business scares a me a bit still... I'm basically going for 7h30minutes without eating from lunch to dinner. And then there's my small numbness in the buttock to worry about as well. On the other hand i'm not sure if adding milk in the late afternoon, like say, at 7PM is even going to to anything to improve my condition.
            The numbness doesn't seem like it's food related. They way you described it, it sounds like the nerve that runs from mid-back to the leg. Go get a massage!

            I would be more concerned about eating 1 hr before bed than having a long time from lunch to dinner, but I know it's tradition too. I haven't been to Portugal but I have been to Spain and other countries near there and noticed people eating late.

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            • #7
              So 1 hour is the minimum of time I should have when going to bed?

              Am I really stressing too much over the 7h30 minutes that I'm going without eating? Remember I may be suffering from an over reactive gland/thyroid (weight loss, hair loss, weak nails) or adrenal fatigue, so I'm probably not in the same healthy ship as other people (I need to gain weight but again, it feels so weird to eat without hunger - I've been throwing lots of coconut oil lately on my meals).

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JPA View Post
                So 1 hour is the minimum of time I should have when going to bed?

                Am I really stressing too much over the 7h30 minutes that I'm going without eating? Remember I may be suffering from an over reactive gland/thyroid (weight loss, hair loss, weak nails) or adrenal fatigue, so I'm probably not in the same healthy ship as other people (I need to gain weight but again, it feels so weird to eat without hunger - I've been throwing lots of coconut oil lately on my meals).
                You need to stop eating like 2 1/2 hrs before bed. Yeah I think you are worrying about the 7 1/2 hr gap too much. Do your best and give it time.

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                • #9
                  I agree. Don't stress it. If you need to gain, eat more calorie dense food, that way you don't need to eat more than you feel comfortable with. If your levels are ok - maybe your thyroid and adrenals are not off. You might check your vitamin and mineral levels because a lot of other things can cause brittle hair and nails, like low iron or low copper.

                  I also wouldn't worry too much about meal timing. I still agree with the eat when you are hungry, stop when you are full. We sometimes try to overanalyze everything, rather than listen to our bodies.

                  If you want to support your thyroid, you can try supplementing with selenium or eating 2-3 brazil nuts a day - more than that would overload you, so don't munch out on too many.

                  Nuts and full fat dairy may help, and you could maybe try smoothies
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                  • #10
                    The numbness- I had the same exact thing except in both my legs. B-complex supplement took it away, almost immediately. Mind you, I went through a million doctors who knew nothing, went to the chiropractor, they put me on the B-complex and I was cured. Tells you a lot about the medical community.
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                    • #11
                      I am going to state the obvious; why don't you go see a doctor and make sure nothing major is wrong? IFing might not be a problem. It would be good to rule out other more serious conditions.
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                      • #12
                        The numbness in your butt could be your sciatic nerve. It gets compressed caused by muscle tightness from lots of sitting and can result in a pins and needles feeling in your butt or down the back of your thigh.

                        Here's an exercise my chiropractor gave me:
                        Sit in a chair (I know - sounds counterproductive!)
                        Cross the affected leg over the other one and pull your knee towards your chest until you feel a stretch in your buttock.

                        Make sure you don't sit for too long at a time. Get up and wander around frequently. If you're sitting in an old chair, consider getting a newer more ergonomic version.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DFH View Post
                          You need to stop eating like 2 1/2 hrs before bed. Yeah I think you are worrying about the 7 1/2 hr gap too much. Do your best and give it time.
                          this is why...one hour usually isn't long enough for the food ingested to be processed and shuttled off to it's proper places...could be longer depending on the size/contents of the meal.
                          most (if not all) of your body's cell regeneration/reparation takes place when you are asleep...
                          when you go to sleep....your body stops processing food in your belly/blood and goes to work on it's previously scheduled tasks of rebuilding everything that was torn down during the day.
                          this can lead to unrestful sleep, heartburn upon waking, more fat in the body, and less than complete cell repair/regeneration (a lot of your resources aren't being used as they are undigested)
                          the same thing happens when alcohol is ingested with or close to a meal....the body recognizes alcohol as a poison, stops food breakdown to fight the poison....
                          the numbness sounds sciatic, the stretch belinda described is great, i do it laying on my back with the unaffected leg bent, with foot against the wall.

                          do you sit for your job? do you have anything in your pocket on that side? (wallet, moneyclip, etc)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by belinda View Post
                            The numbness in your butt could be your sciatic nerve. It gets compressed caused by muscle tightness from lots of sitting and can result in a pins and needles feeling in your butt or down the back of your thigh.

                            Here's an exercise my chiropractor gave me:
                            Sit in a chair (I know - sounds counterproductive!)
                            Cross the affected leg over the other one and pull your knee towards your chest until you feel a stretch in your buttock.

                            Make sure you don't sit for too long at a time. Get up and wander around frequently. If you're sitting in an old chair, consider getting a newer more ergonomic version.
                            Belinda, I don't use to sit a lot... however, sitting seems to make the numbness go away for a bit. I'm not sure what to think.

                            Did I mention I have weak nails, hair loss and that whenever my numbness is felt more, I have less energy? When the numbness is better I have more energy...

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                            • #15
                              JPA~
                              I seriously doubt IF was your problem. Considering you ate daily & lots of calories as I recall...it sounds like you aren't absorbing what you are eating.

                              Sounds like a nutritional deficiency, possibly zinc.

                              Best to find a good nutritional doctor or naturopath to help you discover what you are missing or not absorbing properly.
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