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  • #31
    Sooooo intrigued about this!! Ladies keep sharing your progress with this!
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Leida View Post
      Let me know if it works for you. And, yes, the timing is the same here: ~ 3 hours after protein/fat containing lunch.

      Basically, honey with herbal tea was the only thing on their list that was primal. The one I am using is organic unpasterized honey, it does not say which flowers specifically it was collected from. Back in the old country you could buy hiney from every plant in existence. If we go for a trip next year, I am going to buy a bit of lynden honey.
      Thanks. I've been trying to find out whether honey in the UK is pasturised, I don't see unpasturised anywhere unless it all is. I have the Serotonin Diet book, need to give it a skim through
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      • #33
        Do you have any farmers markets nearby? I can get raw, local honey at a couple of farmers markets where I am (I'm in the US though.) You could buy it on iherb if you HAD to... Y.S. Organic Bee Farms, Raw Honey, 22.0 oz (623 g) - iHerb.com
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        • #34
          Okay, I gotta share this. I had to see a doctor after work, so here I am, it's after 5 pm, waiting for a train, hungry, and here comes a little girl eating a muffin. I didn't salivate. My mind was going: a girl with a muffin, MEAT, MEAT, give me MEAT! Funnily, on the next bench to me in the train, a guy and a gal were sitting and having a conversation.
          Guy: Hungry.
          Gal: Have a yougurt?
          Guy: Nah.
          Gal: You don't like yogurts, do you.
          Guy: Look, I just want real food.

          My brain: Yes, give me MEAT!

          So, that's a negative for carbs calling for more carbs/sweets.
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          • #35
            I just wanted to check about quantity, is a tbsp equivalent to the amount of carbs she says in the book? My honey has no nutrition info on it. I'vebeen doing a big heaped teaspoon in a cup of herbal tea to avoid getting too much of a sweet taste.
            Gluten intolerance and hypermobility syndrome http://www.cfids.org/pdf/joint-hypermobility-guide.pdf

            Eat food. Mostly real. Enjoy life.

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            • #36
              They had 2 tsp in the book, but I am using 1 tbsp simply because I have a handy tiny jar that is 1 tbsp, so I pour some in and figure, it's like 1 tbsp or less.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Leida View Post
                They had 2 tsp in the book, but I am using 1 tbsp simply because I have a handy tiny jar that is 1 tbsp, so I pour some in and figure, it's like 1 tbsp or less.
                What book is it you have?
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                Eat food. Mostly real. Enjoy life.

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                • #38
                  Heya, it was:

                  Title:The serotonin power diet : use your brain's natural chemistry to cut cravings, curb emotional overeating, and lose weight
                  Author:Wurtman, Judith J.
                  Publisher:Rodale,Pub date:c2006.Pages:xiii, 290 p.ISBN:9781594863462
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                  • #39
                    I have a similar thread, I guess I should have read this one first, lol.

                    Here's what I know about serotonin:
                    -A lot of so-called 'hypoglycemia' carb cravings may well be low serotonin. That was the case for me.
                    -Addendum to that: some so-called 'serotonin low issues' may actually be low dopamine. Or, as in my case, BOTH.
                    -For all these dietary things, you can read a million opinions online, but ALL that matters is how it affects YOU. And you can only judge that by trying it out.
                    -In my case, more carb means more carb cravings. In particular honey, potatoes or god forbid rice or other grains. I'm happier without them.
                    -The serotonin diet thingie does sound a lot like the Potatoes Not Prozac thing. I have zero respect for PNP, I think it's unsuitable for many many people with carb problems. And that's even before you get into the weird cult of personality it has going on.

                    I agree with the person on this thread that said you don't put out a fire by throwing gasoline on it. Eating carbs to stop yourself from wanting carbs when carbs make you want more carbs is... yeah.

                    But, in the end, everyone is different.

                    So, I dunno. Try the serotonin diet out. I know it'll send me into carb binge, but eh. That's me, you could be different.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Leida View Post
                      Heya, it was:

                      Title:The serotonin power diet : use your brain's natural chemistry to cut cravings, curb emotional overeating, and lose weight
                      Author:Wurtman, Judith J.
                      Publisher:Rodale,Pub date:c2006.Pages:xiii, 290 p.ISBN:9781594863462
                      Thanks, I thought it was that one, then I wasn't sure because I just read it and didn't see any mention of honey, must have missed it or maybe it's a different edition.
                      Gluten intolerance and hypermobility syndrome http://www.cfids.org/pdf/joint-hypermobility-guide.pdf

                      Eat food. Mostly real. Enjoy life.

                      Health, energy, wellbeing, vitality, joy, LIFE! Health At Every Size

                      "Do not ask what the world needs; ask yourself what makes you come alive. And then go and do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive."
                      Harold Whitman

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by CandylandCanary View Post
                        I have a similar thread, I guess I should have read this one first, lol.

                        Here's what I know about serotonin:
                        -A lot of so-called 'hypoglycemia' carb cravings may well be low serotonin. That was the case for me.
                        -Addendum to that: some so-called 'serotonin low issues' may actually be low dopamine. Or, as in my case, BOTH.
                        -For all these dietary things, you can read a million opinions online, but ALL that matters is how it affects YOU. And you can only judge that by trying it out.
                        -In my case, more carb means more carb cravings. In particular honey, potatoes or god forbid rice or other grains. I'm happier without them.
                        -The serotonin diet thingie does sound a lot like the Potatoes Not Prozac thing. I have zero respect for PNP, I think it's unsuitable for many many people with carb problems. And that's even before you get into the weird cult of personality it has going on.

                        I agree with the person on this thread that said you don't put out a fire by throwing gasoline on it. Eating carbs to stop yourself from wanting carbs when carbs make you want more carbs is... yeah.

                        But, in the end, everyone is different.

                        So, I dunno. Try the serotonin diet out. I know it'll send me into carb binge, but eh. That's me, you could be different.
                        I think the point is that it's not just randomly eating carbs, it's about having a small amount at a specific time to keep serotonin up. For me, I'm not using it as a cure-all, but to offset the depression I get when I go low carb, because I am following a low starch diet for arthritis. Well worth a try for my situation.

                        With something like this or PNP, I think the thing to do is to take from it what is helpful to you and discard the rest. For example, piles of grains with meals obviously isn't a good idea, but a small amount of safe starch or carb 3 hrs after a protein meal can be helpful for me. If you know honey, grains or whatever doesn't work for you, yeah sure don't do it . Mind you, if you expect it to trigger a binge, it probably will .

                        How are you doing anyway? Not seen you around for ages and been wondering how you were getting on
                        Gluten intolerance and hypermobility syndrome http://www.cfids.org/pdf/joint-hypermobility-guide.pdf

                        Eat food. Mostly real. Enjoy life.

                        Health, energy, wellbeing, vitality, joy, LIFE! Health At Every Size

                        "Do not ask what the world needs; ask yourself what makes you come alive. And then go and do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive."
                        Harold Whitman

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                        • #42
                          Honey was in one of the proposed menus, not on their lists. I looked at their lists, and there was nothing on them that works with Paleo. I was about to toss book in the "return to the library" pile, when I noted honey on the menu.

                          And, yes, I am a person for whom carbs beget more carbs - that's why Anabolic Diet did not work for me, I just couldn't stop eating carbs on the carb-up day, it was gross!

                          I dunno if I should be documenting every little thing, but for the record. I had the first junk food craving in a while.

                          This morning (or likely yesterday night) someone left in the kitchen hub the sorta biscotti looking package of bisuits, and I was feeling that one with coffee would be just what the — That’s where it stopped. Yeah, it was 6 am, and I was alone there & no witnesses. I took my coffee black, as usual, and decided that if I still want a biscotti in a month or so, I will buy one from some really good coffee-shop as my September Cheat of the Month. Funny, how we do crave the most unexpected things. I am not a big coffee person, and the last time I bought anything in a coffee house was maybe a year or so ago, for social occasion, and iirc it was a cup of tea….

                          So, bypassed an emotional craving easily.
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                          • #43
                            With something like this or PNP, I think the thing to do is to take from it what is helpful to you and discard the rest.
                            Fair enough. I admittedly have a very bad attitude about PNP... mostly because following it made me sicker than I've ever been. Starchy carbs like potatoes are not my friend.. oddly, since I'm Irish, lol. But if it works for you, there's no reason not to do it. Diet is like religion, these days... best to just let everyone do it however they please.

                            I suppose it does actually work for some people. I just object to the cult leader- I mean, founder's attitude that it works for EVERYONE without exception and if it makes you sick, you're just lying and/or not eating ENOUGH potatoes! Yeah! Yeah right, lady. Anyway, lol. Not for me.

                            And, yes, I am a person for whom carbs beget more carbs - that's why Anabolic Diet did not work for me, I just couldn't stop eating carbs on the carb-up day, it was gross!
                            Same here. Caused me to become bulimic, in fact. Life is a hell of a lot smoother without carbs, for me. I like veggies just fine and 1-2 pieces of fruit are plenty.

                            To each their own, though.

                            How are you doing anyway? Not seen you around for ages and been wondering how you were getting on
                            I'm a lot better. My ED went poof literally overnight when I started Wellbutrin. Turns out I have lifelong dysthymia, which is just the Chinese water torture version of depression. My family and environment taught me to self-medicate in from early childhood with... SUGAR. Lots of it. When I started getting fat, I didn't like that so.. hey! Lets try anorexia! And most anorexics then become bulimic. But in the end, it was all just my brain not having enough serotonin and dopamine (and endorphin, and GABA, etc). As soon as I could medicate that better- and I have to say that Big Pharma has a good idea now and then, since wellbutrin is pretty wicked- I didn't need to torture my body with carbs anymore just to get so I could tolerate life.

                            I'm not 100%, though. I'm pissed off that I still have low energy and I can't work as hard as I want. But my diet is very stable and my weight is right where I want it, at 120lbs. I let myself have a whack of stevia and coffee and even zomg evilbad ENERGY DRINKS (diet, naturally.) My attitude is that I'm not in this to be a dietary saint, I'm in it to enjoy my life. I like coffee and caffeine. I'm happy with my weight and my diet, and I don't care if it's not perfect and pristine and saintly. Who the hell wants to be a saint, lol!
                            Last edited by CandylandCanary; 08-12-2011, 12:33 PM.
                            Getting my Grok on in the Pacific Northwest.

                            "C is for cookie, that's good enough for me."
                            "Cookie is a sometimes food."
                            "Sometimes cookie monster eat APPLE instead of COOKIE. Sometimes eat CARROT."
                            -Cookie Monster, partially reformed sugarholic

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                            • #44
                              Same here. Caused me to become bulimic, in fact. Life is a hell of a lot smoother without carbs, for me. I like veggies just fine and 1-2 pieces of fruit are plenty.
                              I just almost blacked out after ~ 2 months both time I tried AD, and that was that for me.

                              I am glad you seem to be doing better & it is important for everyone to find just the right thing for them!
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                              When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                              • #45
                                I am glad you seem to be doing better & it is important for everyone to find just the right thing for them!
                                Indeed. And equally important for everyone to just let everyone else do their thing. I try not to be the Primal version of the 'sanctimonious meat-is-murder vegan,' low. Even sugar isn't EVIL, after all. It isn't even really... objectively... bad. It's just not good for me.
                                Getting my Grok on in the Pacific Northwest.

                                "C is for cookie, that's good enough for me."
                                "Cookie is a sometimes food."
                                "Sometimes cookie monster eat APPLE instead of COOKIE. Sometimes eat CARROT."
                                -Cookie Monster, partially reformed sugarholic

                                "

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