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  • When did grok eat?

    I was thinking about meal frequency and how the convential wisdom won't shut up about how you need to eat 6 small meals a day along with all their other nonsense. When looking at meal frequency from an evolutionary perspective, it seems to make sense that grok would not be eating that much. I'd think that he would eat large meals 1-2 times a day. I may be wrong.

    Let me know what you think and if you do something different with your meal frequency.

  • #2
    I agree. I would also think Grok would be genetically inclined to "binging". He would eat his fill whenever he could because he knows he may not have food available to him again for a while. i-2 meals sounds good with perhaps a small mid-day snack to sustain energy while on the move.

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    • #3
      I don't think there is any way to know. We can study the few remaining HGs, but that isn't the same as knowing how our direct ancestors ate. That probably varied a lot over three million years.
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      • #4
        Grok ate when he could. When should you eat? Depends on your goals. For weight loss/maintenance a normal pattern of 2 or 3 meals a day works fine, depending on what's convenient.

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        • #5
          My logic says, he would have eaten immediately when he found/hunted something he had learned to know would spoil quickly and store/hide whatever could be saved for later when he was truly hungry/needed the energy, so it was all circumstances. But my belief is that as a whole, we were intuitive eaters and probably still even grazed/rationed a little bit time to time, to try new things and when food rations were scarce. Definitely dependent on the weather/locale/season etc. Maybe as it got colder they also started bingeing more to put on more fat for cooler temps like animals do? Interesting none the less to try to picture it.

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          • #6
            Beach grok ate a lot differently than central asia grok. Learn your heritage and see if basing it on that helps.
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            • #7
              I think a lot depends on where Grok lived and what time of year it was. In an interview with a Kitavin about their native, traditional WOE, it looks like those people eat twice a day with a snack: Whole Health Source: Interview with a Kitavan
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              • #8
                I doubt the Grok family got up and opened the fridge and started some eggs 30 minutes after waking up.

                I bet they ate the most later in the day, after they had time to do a hunt and come back to the klan.

                They also were not trying to undo years of horrible diet and bad advice too, so it's interesting to think about, but not sure if if really matters.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DFH View Post
                  I doubt the Grok family got up and opened the fridge and started some eggs 30 minutes after waking up.

                  I bet they ate the most later in the day, after they had time to do a hunt and come back to the klan.

                  They also were not trying to undo years of horrible diet and bad advice too, so it's interesting to think about, but not sure if if really matters.
                  Heh, funny... =)

                  The 2 meals a day + a snack make a lot of sense to me. I'm doing a 16/8 approach (more or less) and sometimes just lunch and dinner doesn't seem enough, so a snack in between, or just a snack/breakfast would be a good way to approach the thing. From an evolutionary standpoint it makes some sense.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by reedol View Post
                    I was thinking about meal frequency and how the convential wisdom won't shut up about how you need to eat 6 small meals a day along with all their other nonsense.
                    Yes, blanket advice like that is a bit ridiculous. it really depends what you're eating—and what current problems you have. If you get most of your calories off carbs, then you will need to keep topping up.

                    As for current problems—apparently, some of Datis Kharrazian's thyroid sufferers are advised to eat more often. But what he does with some is apparently absolutely contra-indicated with others.

                    When looking at meal frequency from an evolutionary perspective, it seems to make sense that grok would not be eating that much. I'd think that he would eat large meals 1-2 times a day. I may be wrong.
                    I think how often and how much people ate in prehistory depended on what they had around. One can look at the ethnographic parallels. Stefansson gives the foods and meals of one particular group of Eskimos in The Fat of the Land. They were eating four times a day. They presumably had a ready supply. Other people living in country where food was less plentiful, at least at times, probably ate far more irregularly. Some who did have plenty seem, nevertheless, not to have had regular mealtimes—you just took some food from the pot whenever you felt like it.

                    Then again, there have been groups who just ate up whatever they had as soon as they'd made a kill—they would eat fantastic quantities of food that most of us probably couldn't manage, go to sleep, wake up, and begin all over again. Having eaten everything, they might have to wait to eat again until they'd made another kill, which might be some days. You would think they would eat more moderately and save some food for when they didn't have any, but some people just didn't do that. There, the "number of meals" varied between none (because you had nothing) and a continuous meal that lasted as long as you were awake.

                    Likely there was just no one pattern in the remote past. There wasn't among hunters in the historical past, and why would the situation in prehistory have been any different?

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                    • #11
                      I guess what I'm thinking is that any person can really eat whenever they want as frequently as they want because there is no one way our ancestors ate.

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                      • #12
                        Rather than speculating about Grok and Grokina's eating, I would suggest looking at the group that seems closest to our direct ancestors, namely the Bushmen. In The Old Way, Elizabeth Marshall Thomas tells what the Bushmen were like when they had experienced very little of "modern" society. Unfortunately, she doesn't go into when they ate. But they didn't just immediately pig out when they found food. Marshall tells about a successful hunt for an eland. The hunters shot an eland with a poison dart then followed it for several days. They took no food or water, relying on finding a little water, e.g., in hollow trees, and maybe finding a few melons or berries. When the eland finally collapsed and they killed it, they cooked the liver for energy to carry it back to camp. When they got back, the meat was divided up among the tribe. (The actual owner of all the meat was whoever provided the poison for the dart. That could be an elderly woman.) By the time everyone had gotten a share, there wasn't enough for anyone to have a feast.

                        If you want to get a feel for what Grok and Grokina's life was like, read this book. You will gain much new respect. For example, Thomas talks about a few Bushmen taking meat away from a pride of lions. Not by force. They had only spears and poison arrows (the latter being useless for this purpose.) The men (who included Thomas' brother) simply walked slowly and confidently toward the lions, explaining that they were taking the meat. The lions got up and left.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hedonist View Post
                          Rather than speculating about Grok and Grokina's eating, I would suggest looking at the group that seems closest to our direct ancestors, namely the Bushmen. In The Old Way, Elizabeth Marshall Thomas tells what the Bushmen were like when they had experienced very little of "modern" society. Unfortunately, she doesn't go into when they ate. But they didn't just immediately pig out when they found food. Marshall tells about a successful hunt for an eland. The hunters shot an eland with a poison dart then followed it for several days. They took no food or water, relying on finding a little water, e.g., in hollow trees, and maybe finding a few melons or berries. When the eland finally collapsed and they killed it, they cooked the liver for energy to carry it back to camp. When they got back, the meat was divided up among the tribe. (The actual owner of all the meat was whoever provided the poison for the dart. That could be an elderly woman.) By the time everyone had gotten a share, there wasn't enough for anyone to have a feast.

                          ..
                          Good one.

                          To really know the answer, you would need to know about when in history did the tradition of waiting and sharing start? Maybe from the beginning, I don't know.

                          Maybe some folks in the group did gathering for the morning, and hunters spent the day out chasing critters for a semi-planned late afternoon pig-out.

                          Maybe they had a big 50 g protein breakfast of leftovers from the night before

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                          • #14
                            I think it makes sense that people who are ranging out for their food likely do concentrate their meals at breakfast and dinner like the Kitavans. You're more likely to have a smaller, portable, quick lunch that doesn't require cooking if you have anything at all. It takes awhile to get a fire to the right point for cooking. A big midday meal works if you have a settlement where someone's there to mind the fire and you're coming back to it. It seems a bit of a waste of energy unless your food sources are really close to where you live.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DaisyEater View Post
                              I think it makes sense that people who are ranging out for their food likely do concentrate their meals at breakfast and dinner like the Kitavans. You're more likely to have a smaller, portable, quick lunch that doesn't require cooking if you have anything at all. It takes awhile to get a fire to the right point for cooking. A big midday meal works if you have a settlement where someone's there to mind the fire and you're coming back to it. It seems a bit of a waste of energy unless your food sources are really close to where you live.
                              In the case of the Bushmen, they seem to have mostly fasted during the day unless they came across some berries or melons while hunting or gathering. Of course, they didn't set out until mid morning, when the lions and other predators were napping.
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