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  • #16
    i dont eat dairy and i dont like watermelon
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    • #17
      Calories theory heh?

      I've read both Taubes books. My opinion is very different of when I read them. "Eat as much as you want of meats and this and that and not grains and you won't get fat"... is that so...

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      • #18
        Sigh....you act as if just because someones saying that calories effect things is bad....If you eat 0 calories it'll produce no insulin but you will also die. Of course what you eat matters if you want to be healthy; no one is saying otherwise. Calories in Calories out is not as simple as CW suggests but it is essentially true. If your body loses energy by excreting it as waste or just because it decides not to use it that energy has mass and you will lose weight/mass. If your body puts that energy into your cells either fat/muscle/connective ...etc...it will be part of your weight/mass.

        One of the more interesting things Taubes mentions is people eating 10000 calories on a high fat/high protein and low carb diet not gaining weight. Hes not saying they don't gain it at all they do. They weigh more based on the mass ie energy the food is made of. The reason when weighed that they don't go up in weight is that in a low insulin system the body will get rid of the extra by increasing metabolism which means it'll be used in work/exercise or excreted. When weighing in a test they do so periodically not after every meal.

        If you weigh yourself after a meal you will weigh more because you have more in you....obviously but over time some of that will be excreted as part of sweat/excrement/pee and other waste materials that leave the body in various ways...(Can't think of other waste or methods, but there are others...maybe..not sure since I'm not an expert) So when you weigh later your weight is down.
        Last edited by Raiken3712; 07-08-2011, 10:09 AM.
        Age: 28
        Height: 6'1"
        Primal start date: July 1st 2011
        Start Weight: 275
        Current Weight: 248
        Stats below as of September 1st 2011 Tested via BodPod
        Body Fat 25.4%
        Fat Mass 63.721
        Fat Free Mass 74.6%
        Fat Free Mass 187.087
        Goal weight: 180-200 lbs(Recommended weight is around 180 for my height but that sounds low)
        Total lost so far: 27 lbs

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        • #19
          A follow-up question

          I ate a piece of cheese last night, no bread, and 4 bites of watermellon, was curious what PB said about dairy, it wasn't that clear to me in the book. I had heard from a friend also on PB that all mellons were high carbohydrate and sugar which made me worry about when/how much of it I could eat. I want to lose about 50lbs, but I'll settle for 30. I appreciate everyone's feedback.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by JPA View Post
            Calories theory heh?

            I've read both Taubes books. My opinion is very different of when I read them. "Eat as much as you want of meats and this and that and not grains and you won't get fat"... is that so...
            Nope, not at all. Meat still generates quite a bit of insulin, especially beef. You can get fat off of meat. The thing is, it's very difficult to. While meat generates a significant insulin response, it's nothing compared to grains and most dairy. Add to that the fact that meat keeps you full for a long time so you naturally eat less of it and you're in a situation where in order to get fat off of meat, you have to constantly stuff your face. If you go to Fogo de Chao every day and stuff your gut full of 5 pounds of meat for dinner (like I will be doing yet again in two weeks), you're going to have problems. However, eating until you're full but your gut isn't exploding...meat's not going to turn you into a lard ass...err...or should I say grain ass?
            Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by JennyE View Post
              I ate a piece of cheese last night, no bread, and 4 bites of watermellon, was curious what PB said about dairy, it wasn't that clear to me in the book. I had heard from a friend also on PB that all mellons were high carbohydrate and sugar which made me worry about when/how much of it I could eat. I want to lose about 50lbs, but I'll settle for 30. I appreciate everyone's feedback.
              I think melons were on the moderate intake list because they are higher glycemic index. They produce a higher insulin response so if you are really trying to lose weight you want it not so often and not tons of it. Milk is ok if you aren't intolerant of the lactose and or casein in it. This is also something you shouldn't drink much of though because of a higher insulin response.
              Age: 28
              Height: 6'1"
              Primal start date: July 1st 2011
              Start Weight: 275
              Current Weight: 248
              Stats below as of September 1st 2011 Tested via BodPod
              Body Fat 25.4%
              Fat Mass 63.721
              Fat Free Mass 74.6%
              Fat Free Mass 187.087
              Goal weight: 180-200 lbs(Recommended weight is around 180 for my height but that sounds low)
              Total lost so far: 27 lbs

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              • #22
                Thank you Raiken! Is there an official good/moderate/bad list out there that I can refer to?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by JennyE View Post
                  Thank you Raiken! Is there an official good/moderate/bad list out there that I can refer to?
                  Here's one for fruit:

                  The Best Low-Carb Fruits (and the Worst)
                  Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Raiken3712 View Post
                    Sigh....you act as if just because someones saying that calories effect things is bad......
                    Not at all. I just said that calorie theory is weak, because it is.

                    To repeat, it is like saying a tire is just a tire and that is all there is too it. But a flat tire is not the same as an inflated tire, and a truck tire is not the same as a bicycle tire.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Raiken3712 View Post
                      I think melons were on the moderate intake list because they are higher glycemic index. They produce a higher insulin response so if you are really trying to lose weight you want it not so often and not tons of it. Milk is ok if you aren't intolerant of the lactose and or casein in it. This is also something you shouldn't drink much of though because of a higher insulin response.
                      Good. This is not calorie theory. It makes sense.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by JennyE View Post
                        Thank you Raiken! Is there an official good/moderate/bad list out there that I can refer to?
                        EAT THIS, NOT THAT

                        In a nutshell....

                        PRIMAL DIET EAT THIS, NOT THAT

                        EAT THIS*
                        YOU CAN AND SHOULD EAT IT. In fact, it should be the backbone of your diet.*
                        - Meat (preferably grass-fed)
                        - Poultry (preferably free-range)
                        - Fish (preferably wild-caught)
                        - Eggs (preferably cage-free)
                        - Non-starchy and/or green vegetables (preferably organic)
                        - Avocado
                        - Butter (preferably from grass-fed cows)
                        - Lard
                        - Ghee
                        - Coconut oil
                        - Coconut milk
                        - Olive oil (but not for cooking)
                        - A berry (up to a handful)

                        NOT THAT
                        YOU SHOULD NOT EAT IT. Throw it away (unless it's a cleaning or stationery product, in which case use it for its appropriate purpose).
                        - A legume (bean, pea, peanut)
                        - A grain (wheat, corn, rice) or made of a grain (cereal, oatmeal, bread, cake, tortilla, pasta)
                        - A processed food product
                        - A "low-fat" manufactured food product
                        - A "low-carb" manufactured food product
                        - A "diet" manufactured food product
                        - Anything with an ingredient that ends in "ose" (sucrose, glucose, fructose) or that contains sugar, agave nectar, honey, or maple syrup
                        - Anything from the center aisles of the grocery store...

                        EAT IN MODERATION
                        - Dairy products (milk, yogurt, cream, sour cream, half & half) whole milk (not low-fat)
                        - Nuts (peanuts are not nuts)
                        - A seed
                        - A fruit other than a berry
                        - A starchy or sugary vegetable (carrot, beet, winter squash)
                        - A tuber (potato, sweet potato, yam)
                        - A nightshade (tomato, bell pepper)
                        - Coffee

                        UNLESS:
                        - You are trying to lose weight (for dairy, nuts, fruits, starchy vegetables, and tubers)
                        - You are lactose intolerant (for dairy)
                        - You are significantly inactive/sedentary
                        - You are insulin resistant (for dairy, nuts, fruits, starchy vegetables, tubers, and coffee)
                        - You want to go 100% evolutionary diet and avoid anything we aren't sure paleo man ate

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                        • #27
                          Moderation on Milk is partly because it contains one of those oses which is why you want it in moderation or possibly not at all if losing weight depending on how it effects you. Some people can lose weight plenty fast with moderate milk intake. It has lactose which is a type of sugar. I think everyone reading any of these posts probably knows this but just in case I figured I'd throw it out there.

                          Basically what I would say is if you go a few days without milk and than add milk back and there seem to be no tolerance issues and your still losing your two pounds a week it won't hurt to continue drinking in moderation even while losing weight. That's my take on it at least.

                          Also fermented dairy products are supposed to be really good for you....in particular because of probiotics I think which help build healthy gut flora. For more details on what specifically fermented dairy is....someone else can detail or you can probably google it for good answers I don't know much besides I think sour cream off the top of my head....unless I were to really think about it.
                          Last edited by Raiken3712; 07-08-2011, 07:43 PM.
                          Age: 28
                          Height: 6'1"
                          Primal start date: July 1st 2011
                          Start Weight: 275
                          Current Weight: 248
                          Stats below as of September 1st 2011 Tested via BodPod
                          Body Fat 25.4%
                          Fat Mass 63.721
                          Fat Free Mass 74.6%
                          Fat Free Mass 187.087
                          Goal weight: 180-200 lbs(Recommended weight is around 180 for my height but that sounds low)
                          Total lost so far: 27 lbs

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                          • #28
                            So I'm sorta curious how does lactose compare to other sugars I notice on my milk bottle it doesn't list sugar it only lists lactose so I'm assuming the 11 grams of carbs which is the Sugar listed is the lactose. Is it processed the same as glucose or like fructose or what? I ask here instead of searching myself in case someone else is curious.
                            Last edited by Raiken3712; 07-08-2011, 07:49 PM.
                            Age: 28
                            Height: 6'1"
                            Primal start date: July 1st 2011
                            Start Weight: 275
                            Current Weight: 248
                            Stats below as of September 1st 2011 Tested via BodPod
                            Body Fat 25.4%
                            Fat Mass 63.721
                            Fat Free Mass 74.6%
                            Fat Free Mass 187.087
                            Goal weight: 180-200 lbs(Recommended weight is around 180 for my height but that sounds low)
                            Total lost so far: 27 lbs

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