Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Study: red meat intake on low-carb diet linked to Type 2 Diabetes risk???

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    lefty and Tim saw the same thing I did...what does "low" mean in this study and did they really gather results from questionnaires? How is that science?

    Comment


    • #17
      Originally posted by GrainsRLame View Post
      calculated every 4 y from food-frequency questionnaires and were associated with incident T2D by using Cox models.
      How accurate do you think the answers on these questionnaires were? Most people have a hard time accurately remembering what they had for for breakfast yesterday.

      Questionnaire studies are famous for reflecting inaccurate results.

      Comment


      • #18
        I'm not surprised people on diets high in grain fed red and processed meats aren't doing great. Given that these were long term results, it sounds like the subjects had a fairly crappy lifestyle. In all fairness these studies take a long term to do, so this was pretty sure designed well before primal/paleo movements and an awareness of meat quality etc. Haven't read it myself tho.

        Comment


        • #19
          Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
          Comments in bold


          On topic comment for the thread: Study = rubbish.
          Obviously to try to help others? No need to attack someone trying to help...

          Fat cells do take in glucose. They then convert it into fat.

          Your body can produce limited amounts of sugar, which parts of the brain have to run off of. If your body gets into the position where this is a major source of the bodies sugar, it would make sense to "restrict access" by having most cells that don't require it become more insulin resistant.

          I believe this happens in some pregnant women. They become insulin resistant to allow their babies "first dibs" to the meals.

          Relax and be a little nicer when people are just popping in to try to help.

          (The tone of this post might seem confusing because I can't figure out how to fully quote his/her post, but feel free to scroll up a bit.)
          Last edited by JoeyA; 06-12-2012, 03:36 PM.

          Comment


          • #20
            Originally posted by JoeyA View Post
            Relax and be a little nicer when people are just popping in to try to help.
            Sorry if my post came accross as being aggressive. I know you were trying to help. I even believed some of the false statements in your post when I started down the primal path. I'm not trying to give you slaps here. Just trying to correct misinformation so that other people are not mislead.

            Originally posted by JoeyA View Post
            Your body can produce limited amounts of sugar, which parts of the brain have to run off of. If your body gets into the position where this is a major source of the bodies sugar, it would make sense to "restrict access" by having cells become more insulin resistant.

            I believe this happens in some pregnant women. They become insulin resistant to allow their babies "first dibs" to the meals.
            I think that you have got a bit mucked up here. Insulin resistance (in a pregnant woman or not) is caused by high levels of glucose in the blood. Gluconeogenesis is the process by which your body manufactures glucose, and it only happens when your glucose levels are too low and your glucose stores in your liver are run down.

            You seem to be conflating high blood glucose conditions with low blood glucose conditions. Is that a fair guess on my part?
            Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

            Griff's cholesterol primer
            5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
            Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
            TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
            bloodorchid is always right

            Comment


            • #21
              Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
              Sorry if my post came accross as being aggressive. I know you were trying to help. I even believed some of the false statements in your post when I started down the primal path. I'm not trying to give you slaps here. Just trying to correct misinformation so that other people are not mislead.


              I think that you have got a bit mucked up here. Insulin resistance (in a pregnant woman or not) is caused by high levels of glucose in the blood. Gluconeogenesis is the process by which your body manufactures glucose, and it only happens when your glucose levels are too low and your glucose stores in your liver are run down.

              You seem to be conflating high blood glucose conditions with low blood glucose conditions. Is that a fair guess on my part?
              Apology accepted.

              Might insulin resistance be the cause of higher levels of blood glucose in some cases rather than the other way around?

              Prehistoric Pregnancy Booster Now Fuels Diabetes | Wired Science | Wired.com

              If you replace baby with brain it would make sense.

              Comment


              • #22
                Insulin regulates blood glucose levels, so I don't get what "the other way around" could possibly mean. Isn't that a reasonably well established biological 'fact'?

                I assume that you are suggesting that there is another causal factor for insulin resistance (i.e. not high blood glucose levels). I think that it's highly plausible that people can have a genetic predisposition to insulin resistance.

                What alternate causes are you suggesting? Do you have any links to any studies?
                Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                Griff's cholesterol primer
                5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                bloodorchid is always right

                Comment


                • #23
                  I don't have any studies on hand.

                  You are suggesting that high blood sugar levels cause insulin resistance.

                  I'm saying that there is evidence to the contrary in pregnant women (they become insulin resistant to maintain high blood sugar levels). It's a chicken or the egg kind of thing.

                  I'm suggesting that some forms of insulin resistance can be good.

                  Comment


                  • #24
                    Originally posted by JoeyA View Post
                    Apology accepted.

                    Might insulin resistance be the cause of higher levels of blood glucose in some cases rather than the other way around?

                    Prehistoric Pregnancy Booster Now Fuels Diabetes | Wired Science | Wired.com

                    If you replace baby with brain it would make sense.
                    Physiological insulin resistance at the muscles as such would happen in long term ketosis is a desirable state to preserve glucose for the few places that need it. It however is not the same as the systemic pathological resistance found in people with forms of metabolic syndrome.....biggest difference is that the kind induced by ketosis almost immediately goes away when carbohydrates are reintroduced to the diet. Sorry, didn't get to read your link. Just figured you might be talking in some way about this physiological adaptive response.

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      I just did some google searches and it seems a few different paleo sites have discussed the same thing.

                      I'm not sure whether or not this type of insulin resistance is relevant to this paper, but it appears that a few different people believe this is a positive adaptation at low carb levels.

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        Originally posted by JoeyA View Post
                        I just did some google searches and it seems a few different paleo sites have discussed the same thing.

                        I'm not sure whether or not this type of insulin resistance is relevant to this paper, but it appears that a few different people believe this is a positive adaptation at low carb levels.
                        Positive....negative.....not really either. The word would be "normal" physiological response.

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          I'm emphasizing that it's a good thing and not something bad, such as the "usual" insulin resistance, which seems to be a bad thing.

                          Comment


                          • #28
                            Does anyone see how this type of insulin resistance might be more relevant to animal protein and fat than vegetable oil/protein?

                            Comment


                            • #29
                              Originally posted by JoeyA View Post
                              I'm saying that there is evidence to the contrary in pregnant women (they become insulin resistant to maintain high blood sugar levels). It's a chicken or the egg kind of thing.

                              I'm suggesting that some forms of insulin resistance can be good.
                              If that was true then gestational diabetes would confer some sort of benefit to either the mother or the child. But it doesn't. It is an unintended side-effect of the hormonal changes caused by pregnancy.
                              Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                              Griff's cholesterol primer
                              5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                              Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                              TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                              bloodorchid is always right

                              Comment


                              • #30
                                Did you read the link i provided earlier?

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X