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  • I have another question. On 2/15 I increased progesterone cream from 20 mg a night to roughly 40 to 50 mg a night. On 2/25 I started getting breast tenderness and it still has not gone away. I have read that progesterone cream, when you first use it or when you increase it, will re-activate estrogen receptors and can cause estrogen dominance symptoms in the beginning. However, isn't 16 days of breast tenderness kind of long? Or could there be something else going on?

    Thanks!!
    Started Atkins:: 1996
    Started Paleo: 2003
    Illness Started: 2008
    Started Leptin Reset: 01.10.2012
    Thighs Starting Size: 54.8 cm
    Thighs Goal Size: 53.5 cm
    My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread46986.html

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    • Seeing that i can now miss breakfast- I am going to follow lean gains where i train in the gym at 5pm and then eat my first meal, but just protein and lots of fat and then CT right after that. Fits me like a glove!!! I'm excited, start this tonight!!!!

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      • Originally posted by kkcarlton View Post
        I have another question. On 2/15 I increased progesterone cream from 20 mg a night to roughly 40 to 50 mg a night. On 2/25 I started getting breast tenderness and it still has not gone away. I have read that progesterone cream, when you first use it or when you increase it, will re-activate estrogen receptors and can cause estrogen dominance symptoms in the beginning. However, isn't 16 days of breast tenderness kind of long? Or could there be something else going on?

        Thanks!!
        For a few weeks on the progesterone I felt worse, then I started to feel much better. I was able to put up with that since I was told to expect that. Now, I have no bad reaction ever. Unfortunately, my estrogen become non existent as well so I have to supplement that now as well. I already see a positive sign with my FBS dropping. I hope that my weight will drop next. I would like to go from 147 lbs to 130 lbs.
        VLC since October 2011
        Leptin reset since December 2011
        CT since late February 2012

        Starting weight: 152 lbs
        Current weight: 147 lbs
        Height: 5'4"

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        • Originally posted by kkcarlton View Post
          I have another question. On 2/15 I increased progesterone cream from 20 mg a night to roughly 40 to 50 mg a night. On 2/25 I started getting breast tenderness and it still has not gone away. I have read that progesterone cream, when you first use it or when you increase it, will re-activate estrogen receptors and can cause estrogen dominance symptoms in the beginning. However, isn't 16 days of breast tenderness kind of long? Or could there be something else going on?

          Thanks!!
          kkcarlton, could you please let me know how do you create your info following your every post?

          Started Atkins:: 1996
          Started Paleo: 2003
          Illness Started: 2008
          Started Leptin Reset: 01.10.2012
          Thighs Starting Size: 54.8 cm
          Thighs Goal Size: 53.5 cm
          My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread46986.html
          VLC since October 2011
          Leptin reset since December 2011
          CT since late February 2012

          Starting weight: 152 lbs
          Current weight: 147 lbs
          Height: 5'4"

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          • Originally posted by DigitalSurgeon View Post
            with CT you can miss breakfast because hunger is demolished.
            This explains why I can barely eat the breakfast I used to eat 3-4 weeks ago.

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            • Originally posted by NotOptimalYet View Post
              kkcarlton, could you please let me know how do you create your info following your every post?

              Started Atkins:: 1996
              Started Paleo: 2003
              Illness Started: 2008
              Started Leptin Reset: 01.10.2012
              Thighs Starting Size: 54.8 cm
              Thighs Goal Size: 53.5 cm
              My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread46986.html
              Hi,

              You have to go to your profile and add it as a signature. If you need more detailed instructions let me know. It didn't seem all that intuitive to me on this forum.

              ~k
              Started Atkins:: 1996
              Started Paleo: 2003
              Illness Started: 2008
              Started Leptin Reset: 01.10.2012
              Thighs Starting Size: 54.8 cm
              Thighs Goal Size: 53.5 cm
              My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread46986.html

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              • I realize that the topic is veering off slightly with another progesterone question, but I'm interested in taking it for my extremely painful periods. I've been doing a bit of research on it, but you guys clearly know all about it and are currently taking it. So, to your guys, can I ask:

                * Can I buy pregesterone over the counter or is it prescribed...?
                * Do you recommend a specific brand?
                * Are there any side effects from using it or is it safe?

                I'd really appreciate any info, as my periods are getting worse each month.

                Now, back to the topic:

                My CT question relates to drinking the glasses of cold water.

                Digital Surgeon, you recommend this as a way of instigating thermogensis... as does Tim Ferriss... but, in the long run, is it a good idea to drink cold beverages, including ice water? In Chinese medicine it's believed that cold beverages need energy to warm them up to body temp... This warmth comes directly from the spleen, and the problem over the long term is that the spleen then gets depleted of energy. This can lead to complications like chronic fatigue. What are your thoughts on this and is it a concern ?

                I'm glad I don't have to eat breakfast... I've never been big on eating first thing.
                Last edited by thaijinx; 03-11-2012, 08:21 AM.
                SW: 68 kg. * CW: 61.5 kg. * GW: 60 kg or less...
                “Your work is to discover your work and then with all your heart to give yourself to it.” ~ Buddha

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                • Originally posted by MamaGrok View Post

                  Sounds really fascinating, thanks! Now, two questions:

                  - Any particular reason you didn't add coconut water? I was thinking of making it myself, and imagined the magic ingredients would be coconut water that was fermented, then adding a bit of fruit juice at the end (since the fruit juice in theirs isn't fermented).

                  - I remember Nourishing Traditions saying to be careful not to ferment fruits more than 2 days, but I can't remember why - seems like it was something more than "they will then turn to alcohol," but I can't remember what. ?
                  Home made Kevita:
                  I didn't happen to have any coconut water in the house, and it's a minor ingredient according to the Kevita label. You certainly can and should use coconut water if you have it!
                  It seems to be a little like kombucha...the bugs need a source of sugar to grow, but other than that they don't seem to be picky about ingredients.
                  Yes, with longer fermentation, you will get some alcohol production. I personally don't worry about it because the amount of sugar is so small that not much alcohol will be produced.
                  The finished product reminds me of "water kefir soda". Also, I like to do ferments of all sorts. I'm thrilled to add another one to the recipe list! My purpose here was to see if I could get the bugs to reproduce and produce a tasty end product...I wasn't trying to copy Kevita exactly, though one could certainly do that.

                  According to the Kevita label, the ingredients are: Purified water, probiotic inoculum, coconut water, mango puree, ACV, mango flavor, coconut flavor, vitamin C, stevia, fruit & veggie color.

                  Since coconut water is listed after probiotic inoculum, that means there is hardly any actual coconut water in the commercial product.

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                  • Somebody go to the Leaky gut Rx comments and straighten this Bridgette out.........she is driving me nuts with the way she thinks

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                    • Originally posted by thaijinx View Post
                      I realize that the topic is veering off slightly with another progesterone question, but I'm interested in taking it for my extremely painful periods. I've been doing a bit of research on it, but you guys clearly know all about it and are currently taking it. So, to your guys, can I ask:

                      Can I buy pregesterone over the counter or is it prescribed...?
                      Do you recommend a specific brand?
                      Are there any side effects from using it or is it safe?

                      I'd really appreciate any info, as my periods are getting worse each month.

                      My CT question relates to drinking the glasses of cold water.

                      Digital Surgeon, you recommend this as a way of instigating thermogensis... as does Tim Ferriss... but, in the long run, is it a good idea to drink cold beverages, including ice water? In Chinese medicine it's believed that cold beverages need energy to warm them up to body temp... This warmth comes directly from the spleen, and the problem over the long term is that the spleen then gets depleted of energy. This can lead to complications like chronic fatigue. What are your thoughts on this and is it a concern ?

                      I'm glad I don't have to eat breakfast... I've never been big on eating first thing.
                      I bet after CT 7 its going to veer right back here......just predicting.

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                      • Originally posted by thaijinx View Post
                        I realize that the topic is veering off slightly with another progesterone question, but I'm interested in taking it for my extremely painful periods. I've been doing a bit of research on it, but you guys clearly know all about it and are currently taking it. So, to your guys, can I ask:

                        * Can I buy pregesterone over the counter or is it prescribed...?
                        * Do you recommend a specific brand?
                        * Are there any side effects from using it or is it safe?

                        I'd really appreciate any info, as my periods are getting worse each month.

                        Now, back to the topic:

                        My CT question relates to drinking the glasses of cold water.

                        Digital Surgeon, you recommend this as a way of instigating thermogensis... as does Tim Ferriss... but, in the long run, is it a good idea to drink cold beverages, including ice water? In Chinese medicine it's believed that cold beverages need energy to warm them up to body temp... This warmth comes directly from the spleen, and the problem over the long term is that the spleen then gets depleted of energy. This can lead to complications like chronic fatigue. What are your thoughts on this and is it a concern ?

                        I'm glad I don't have to eat breakfast... I've never been big on eating first thing.
                        We want the body to warm the water up......that is how we turn on the pilot light.......Chinese medicine works within the warm adapted pathways......not the one we are talking so your mixing apples with oranges. If you want to remain warm adapted you live by a different rules. Optimal requires cold......pure and simple.
                        Last edited by DigitalSurgeon; 03-11-2012, 08:29 AM.

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                        • Originally posted by thaijinx View Post
                          I realize that the topic is veering off slightly with another progesterone question, but I'm interested in taking it for my extremely painful periods. I've been doing a bit of research on it, but you guys clearly know all about it and are currently taking it. So, to your guys, can I ask:

                          * Can I buy pregesterone over the counter or is it prescribed...?
                          * Do you recommend a specific brand?
                          * Are there any side effects from using it or is it safe?

                          I'd really appreciate any info, as my periods are getting worse each month.

                          Now, back to the topic:

                          My CT question relates to drinking the glasses of cold water.

                          Digital Surgeon, you recommend this as a way of instigating thermogensis... as does Tim Ferriss... but, in the long run, is it a good idea to drink cold beverages, including ice water? In Chinese medicine it's believed that cold beverages need energy to warm them up to body temp... This warmth comes directly from the spleen, and the problem over the long term is that the spleen then gets depleted of energy. This can lead to complications like chronic fatigue. What are your thoughts on this and is it a concern ?

                          I'm glad I don't have to eat breakfast... I've never been big on eating first thing.
                          You can buy progesterone OTC but I think Coleen or someone said it's not near as good as the RX. However, I use Natpro and as I indicated, my 20 to 30 mg increase certainly did something judging by my symptoms. I use Natpro from www.progeteronetherapy.com. It's the the hightest concentration I have found with the least amount of chemicals.
                          Last edited by kkcarlton; 03-11-2012, 09:06 AM.
                          Started Atkins:: 1996
                          Started Paleo: 2003
                          Illness Started: 2008
                          Started Leptin Reset: 01.10.2012
                          Thighs Starting Size: 54.8 cm
                          Thighs Goal Size: 53.5 cm
                          My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread46986.html

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                          • I think I may already have the answer to this question, but here goes! I am still waiting on the results of my steroid hormone panel (tomorrow hopefully). I know my cortisol is way high and I expect my sex hormones to be in the crapper. I am wondering if I should do BHRT first, then CT or just do CT then retest to see if that's all that is needed to rebalance my hormones. Thoughts?

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                            • Originally posted by thaijinx View Post
                              I realize that the topic is veering off slightly with another progesterone question, but I'm interested in taking it for my extremely painful periods. I've been doing a bit of research on it, but you guys clearly know all about it and are currently taking it. So, to your guys, can I ask:

                              * Can I buy pregesterone over the counter or is it prescribed...?
                              * Do you recommend a specific brand?
                              * Are there any side effects from using it or is it safe?

                              I'd really appreciate any info, as my periods are getting worse each month.

                              Now, back to the topic:

                              My CT question relates to drinking the glasses of cold water.

                              Digital Surgeon, you recommend this as a way of instigating thermogensis... as does Tim Ferriss... but, in the long run, is it a good idea to drink cold beverages, including ice water? In Chinese medicine it's believed that cold beverages need energy to warm them up to body temp... This warmth comes directly from the spleen, and the problem over the long term is that the spleen then gets depleted of energy. This can lead to complications like chronic fatigue. What are your thoughts on this and is it a concern ?

                              I'm glad I don't have to eat breakfast... I've never been big on eating first thing.
                              I have been successfully using Emerita Pro Gest Cream Paraben Free from Amazon for over a year. My reset test showed that my 20mg douse a day gave me optimal levels.
                              VLC since October 2011
                              Leptin reset since December 2011
                              CT since late February 2012

                              Starting weight: 152 lbs
                              Current weight: 147 lbs
                              Height: 5'4"

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                              • Originally posted by kkcarlton View Post
                                Hi,

                                You have to go to your profile and add it as a signature. If you need more detailed instructions let me know. It didn't seem all that intuitive to me on this forum.

                                ~k
                                That is where I originally went but could not see it. I just tried again and it is not there. Maybe it is no longer an option.
                                VLC since October 2011
                                Leptin reset since December 2011
                                CT since late February 2012

                                Starting weight: 152 lbs
                                Current weight: 147 lbs
                                Height: 5'4"

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