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    So, I'm now two weeks in, and am enjoying learning and researching all about how digestion works and how the body uses its fuel. As well as eating and enjoying foods that a short time ago I would not have touched with a barge pole!

    ** Fat (ew) , cream (ick!) , fish (yuk!)
    ** granola... (healthy!) , veg lasagna (yummy!) , wholemeal bread (of course!)

    LOL. Now I know different.

    HOWEVER...

    With my overall increase in meat, fish, and dairy now I'm a bit concerned about all the nasties that I will be ingesting alongside it:
    Soy fed cattle, and synthetic growth hormones, no sunlight, and crowded conditions, pus in milk, hormones to make cattle think they are pregnant... There are six different kinds of steroid hormones that are currently approved by FDA for use in food production in the US: estradiol, progesterone, testosterone, zeranol, trenbolone acetate, and melengestrol acetate.

    Now, if I could eat from pastured, organic, meat-fish-dairy sources at every meal I would be happy to do so. But unfortunately I live in a place that doesn't have farmers markets or organic shops. I can't go direct to farmers, or raise the animals myself... Language barriers compound any questions that I might have, even if I were able to ask the farmer anyway... So, I am basically having to eat inferior sources that have the possibility of being contaminated, as well as animals raised in inhumane conditions.

    Is anyone else worried about their increased ingestion of these things, or do most of you manage to source good quality, organic, pastured meat-fish-dairy?

    Should I (we) be 'worried'?
    One of the most common and controversial ways to force greater milk production is to inject them with rBGH (recombinant bovine growth hormone), a genetically engineered artificial growth hormone. Developed and manufactured under the brand names Posalic® by Monsanto (Who'd of thought, eh!)

    *rBGH milk is contaminated by pus, due to the mastitis commonly induced by rBGH, and antibiotics used to treat the mastitis.

    *rBGH milk is chemically, and nutritionally different than natural milk.

    *Milk from cows injected with rBGH is contaminated with the hormone, traces of which are absorbed through the gut into the blood.

    *rBGH milk is supercharged with high levels of a natural growth factor (IGF-1), which is readily absorbed through the gut.

    *Excess levels of IGF-1 have been incriminated as a cause of breast, colon, and prostate cancers. IGF-1 blocks natural defense mechanisms against early submicroscopic cancers.

    *rBGH factory farms pose a major threat to the viability of small dairy farms.

    *rBGH enriches Monsanto, while posing dangers, without any benefits, to consumers, especially in view of the current national surplus of milk.

    Of still greater concern, based on 37 published scientific studies as detailed in the book, excess levels of IGF-1 in rBGH milk pose major risks of breast, colon and prostate cancers.

    Thoughts?
    SW: 68 kg. * CW: 61.5 kg. * GW: 60 kg or less...
    “Your work is to discover your work and then with all your heart to give yourself to it.” ~ Buddha

  • #2
    Dont eat milk...

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    • #3
      Those are valid concerns. However, conventional non-meat foods have lots of crap dumped on them too. You don't have to eat lots of meat on primal. Do the best you can with both meat and veg. You don't say where you are, so that's about the best I can do.

      I am soooo lucky. Where I live, Sacramento, CA, there are many many healthy food sources.
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      • #4
        Buy a farm and grow your own food. Organic food are contaminated by non-organic food all the time (same container, mislabeling etc). Don't forget, most major brand milk containers are all plastic. Sometimes, bits of the plastic at the top of the cap break off and fall into the milk.

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        • #5
          Your profile shows you are located in Thailand. I used to live in the Phillippines and I know that a lot of the farm land is quite similar in Thailand. We did not have cows roaming around in the Phillippines and most of the milk was imported from the U.S. when I lived there. But we did have a lot of coconut trees just like Thailand. I ate a crap load of coconuts along with coconut milk and water. I know for a fact a lot of Thai cuisine incorporates a lot of coconut milk in their curries. Southeast Asia is abundant with fruits as well.

          I guess my main point is that if you do not have access to good sources of dairy don't eat them. But there are fruits and vegetables that are indigenous to the area which you should be able to pick up fresh at local markets. Fresh fish, duck, chicken, lamb, pork would probably be your go to meats in Thailand. Stick to whole foods, don't consume gluten, and avoid vegetable oils and you are 90% there.
          Last edited by Balance; 06-06-2011, 08:40 PM.
          "If man made it, don't eat it" - Jack Lallane

          People say I am on a "crazy" diet. What is so crazy about eating veggies, fruits, seafood and organ meats? Just because I don't eat whole wheat and processed food doesn't make my diet "crazy". Maybe everyone else with a SAD are the "crazy" ones for putting that junk in their system.

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          • #6
            You live in Thailand. Enjoy the local flora and fauna. I'm assuming the local cuisine would actually be quite Primal-friendly, though you might have to be a bit of the adventurous sort.

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            • #7
              With all that advice - for having just spent three months in India - I'd say : good luck
              I do hope you'll have a better experience than me in terms of eating decent primal there.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Barefoot Paul View Post
                Dont eat milk...
                Agree. People on here keep talking about drinking milk still and that just freaks me out. I don't do it.

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                • #9
                  Difficult to post a response to these varied answers... however I will have a go:

                  Barefoot Paul - it's not just milk I'm worried about, but all meats, fish and dairy. All are farmed, battery, icky sources, here. No regulation on what goes in, what gets sprayed, even produced labelled as 'organic' can be pretty dubious. No standards are enforced. If it were as simple as just 'don't eat milk' I wouldn't be worried, as I'm not much of a milk drinker anyways.

                  Hedonist - thanks for the reply. I do have Thailand listed as my location... do you mean where in Thailand?

                  Mwok86 - as I am not Thai therefore I cannot buy land in Thailand. And, if you'd read my post properly, you would notice that I did say: "nor can I raise the animals myself".

                  Balance - surely tonnes of fruit isn't Primal...? I don't want to be fruitarian, LOL. I'm not a big fruit eater, though I do enjoy the occasional banana and mango from my trees... it's not my ideal food. Coconuts, yes.

                  Diana Renata - Yeah, I love eating bugs! LOL The traditional diet would be more Primal... however, more and more and more and MORE! of the local fare is nothing more than rice and MSG/salt/sugar laden curries and soups, fast food, and western snacks. You're never more than a few hundred yards from a 7-11. Pork fat has been replaced by vegetables oils, and when I ask if I can still get Pork fat at the local market, I am looked at as though I am quite mad!

                  "Why you want fat of pig? Fat no good! You fat. Vegetable oil good!"

                  Did I mention the MSG??? Sugar in rice. Sugar in fruit juice. Sugar in EVERYTHING?!?

                  Furan - I HEAR YOU!
                  Last edited by thaijinx; 06-06-2011, 09:09 PM.
                  SW: 68 kg. * CW: 61.5 kg. * GW: 60 kg or less...
                  “Your work is to discover your work and then with all your heart to give yourself to it.” ~ Buddha

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                  • #10
                    Difficult to post a response to these varied answers... however I will have a go:

                    Barefoot Paul - it's not just milk I'm worried about, but all meats, fish and dairy. All are farmed, battery, icky sources, here. No regulation on what goes in, what gets sprayed, even produced labelled as 'organic' can be pretty dubious. No standards are enforced. If it were as simple as just 'don't eat milk' I wouldn't be worried, as I'm not much of a milk drinker anyways.

                    Hedonist - thanks for the reply. I do have Thailand listed as my location... do you mean where in Thailand?

                    Mwok86 - as I am not Thai therefore I cannot buy land in Thailand. And, if you'd read my post properly, you would notice that I did say:
                    "nor can I raise the animals myself".

                    Balance - surely tonnes of fruit isn't Primal...? I don't want to be fruitarian, LOL. I'm not a bit fruit eater, though I do enjoy the occasional banana and mango from my trees... it's not my ideal food. Coconuts, yes.

                    Diana Renata - Yeah, I love eating bugs! LOL The traditional diet would be more Primal... however, more and more and more and MORE! of the local fare is nothing more than rice and MSG/salt/sugar laden curries and soups, fast food, and western snacks. You're never more than a few hundred yards from a 7-11. Pork fat has been replaced by vegetables oils, and when I ask if I can still get Pork fat at the local market, I am looked at as though I am quite mad!

                    "Why you want fat of pig? Fat no good! You fat. Vegetable oil good!"

                    Did I mention the MSG??? Sugar in rice. Sugar in fruit juice. Sugar in EVERYTHING?!?

                    Furan - I HEAR YOU!
                    SW: 68 kg. * CW: 61.5 kg. * GW: 60 kg or less...
                    “Your work is to discover your work and then with all your heart to give yourself to it.” ~ Buddha

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by thaijinx View Post
                      Difficult to post a response to these varied answers... however I will have a go:

                      "Why you want fat of pig? Fat no good! You fat. Vegetable oil good!"

                      Did I mention the MSG??? Sugar in rice. Sugar in fruit juice. Sugar in EVERYTHING?!?
                      Why does this sound so familiar ?
                      Same here, in India. They have amazing mangoes (and tons of them), bananas, grapes, among other fruits and still, when you ask for a juice, you definitely want to say "no ice, no sugar".

                      And see the kind of ads and descriptions you get for veg cooking oils, here .

                      I won't mention all the crappy things about the oh-so-healthy cereals from the West.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by thaijinx View Post
                        Hedonist - thanks for the reply. I do have Thailand listed as my location... do you mean where in Thailand?
                        Ok. Duh. Most people, including me, don't fill out their profiles, so I was too lazy to look. But i would be interested in where you are. My daughter in law is from Nong Khai.

                        When my son spent a summer in Thailand (and met his future wife), he came back and said that people there love KFC, bourbon and boiled peanuts. I said, where exactly in Georgia were you?

                        I love Thai food, but we have messed that country up like we have the rest of the world.
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                        • #13
                          Where are you at in Thailand?

                          I spend about 40 days a year in Thailand, mainly Bangkok. I have made 2 trips since going primal and it hasn't been difficult for me at all to maintain primal (except when my wife breaks out the in-season native mangos ... oooh the sweet creaminess evil mangos!!!)

                          Considering how thin most Thais manage to remain, it shouldn't be hard. Only those rich enough to consume rich pastries and ice cream every day balloon up like the typical farang.

                          Are you by chance out in the sticks?

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                          • #14
                            Furan, I've been to India 3 times. Twice in the early 90's and once in 2010. And I saw a massive change in the amount of imported foods this time!Before they banned western imports, so both of the first two trips I did, the ONLY western snack food you could really get your hands on, in the sticks especially, were milky bars (and what a treat those were! LOL). If you wanted a treat you had bananas, peanuts wrapped in newspaper cones, and a 'Limca' (if you dared) and really really needed a sugary-drink hit.

                            Last year it was every kind of western snack food / drink imaginable! Up in Dharamsala, a little store there stocked every kind of Nestle / Pepsi co product that you would get in the west.

                            I noticed that the local food sat real heavy in my stomach too this last trip. I could only put it down to the ever growing insidious use of vegetable oils, instead of ghee... and gee did I feel it! Bloated, heavy, and feeling bleugh, from just a veg curry!!! That's not right!

                            (I tend to avoid meat in India, cause I have been really, really ill there, and it was no fun!!!)

                            Wildrabbit - yes am out in the sticks, Chiang Mai way... and if you read my OP it's not that I can't eat primal... it's that I'm worried about all the other nasties that I / we ingest along with our yummy battery chickens, hormone injected meat, farmed fish, pasteurized hormone infused pus milk, etc etc. Because I don't have access to natural pastured organic sources here in Thailand.

                            Hedonist - 'WE' haven't messed up their country like we have the rest of the world... the Thai's have been perfectly capable of doing it all by themselves! LOL

                            "We do not want to teach our children English in our schools, because the rest of the world will think that we were a colonized country, when in fact we were not." ~ Thailand's Education Minister, 2010 ~
                            SW: 68 kg. * CW: 61.5 kg. * GW: 60 kg or less...
                            “Your work is to discover your work and then with all your heart to give yourself to it.” ~ Buddha

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                            • #15
                              @thaijinx
                              Thanks for sharing your experience !
                              Bloated, heavy, and feeling bleugh, from just a veg curry!!! That's not right!
                              I can totally relate that as well. Basically, whatever I eat here, I feel bloated. Except when a friend's cook prepares delicious veg meals for us.
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