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    I did the Vitamin D test for my mom last night and I was really surprised to see how thick her blood is. It didn't ooze easily and it didn't spread much when a drop was placed on the test paper. Is it something we need to be concerned about? She's on statins, takes aspirin and fish oil.


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    You might want to have her checked by a hematologist because both fish oil and aspirin THIN the blood. For example, before any surgery, you're advise to discontinue both aspirin and/or fish oil because you could bleed too freely.


    There are conditions that thicken the blood; they're serious but can be corrected which is why I advise a medical evaluation.

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      Thanks emmie!

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        maba,


        I'm also wondering how well-hydrated she is?

        Sometimes older people drink coffee or tea instead of water---my mom used to do this all the time :-(

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          Maba, statins have shown no benefit for women. Is she on coenzyme Q10 atleast while taking statins?

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            Kuno, she drinks coffee just once a day. I'll make sure she drinks plenty of water.


            Sue, I don't think her cardiologist in India even knows about CoQ10. I was wondering if I should make her take it but wasn't sure if I should do it on my own w/o a doctors prescription.


            I've been talking to her for the last few days about the side-effects of statins and she stopped taking them a couple of days ago of her own volition. She's also started taking 5000IU of Vit D. In less than a week, she's seen improvement in her skin, thanks to the coconut oil that I use at home, that she's beginning to believe my dietary recommendation. She eats a high-carb diet (mostly rice and lentils) but atleast she's stopped eating wheat and oats.

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              I believe thick blood is a very big problem. This is what causes stroke. I think the only solution is to have massive doses of O3s. Try supplementing to the tune of at least 3-4gms of O3 per day, till the blood becomes better. Does she eat any fish?


              I would think that you should get her arterial calcium score. Check Dr. Davis's HeartScanBlog. He also recommends taking Niacine.


              Add K2-MK4, and there will be further improvements in the skin. K2-MK4 is also very good for arteries, as it causes calcium to go where it is required, and arteries is not that place. It reduces calcification.


              The best would be to add it to something fatty that you eat over a few days. It is best to take K2 multiple times a day, as the serum level depletes very fast, in the order of hours.


              I have been taking it two times a day, and I can see a lot of improvement in my skin. Particularly feets, they feel much softer. No more cracks without needing any creams.


              Statins should be stopped completely. But convincing the doctor in India would be a tough task. It would probably be easier to change the doctor. If she has been on Statins, adding CoQ10 is probably a must, to fix the damage already done.


              You should probably join the Track Your Plaque for her. There you will get the advice and prescription if required.

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                Ditto on the CoQ10 - most doctors don't seem to know they should advice patients to supplement with this, but really it's a no brainer.


                And yes, get her checked out. Both my parents have had strokes and trust me, they do a *lot* of damage. I don't wish that on you or her.

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                  Anand, thanks a million for the information! I showed my mum your response and she's beginning to believe me more than her doctor now! Can I buy CoQ10 just off the shelf and have her take it? I checked Heart Scan Blog and he recommends a minimum of 100mg.


                  Indiscreet, thank your for your words. I hope your parents are ok now.

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                    Thanks Katie. I'm beginning to lose faith in the physicians here. They parrot the same thing over and over again. I've made an appointment with a naturopath later this week. I hope he can give her better advice than her cardiologist. You are a medical student right? Can I buy CoQ10 just off the shelf and start her on it? Or is there anything else I need to know before giving it to her? Dr. Sears mentions in Fathead that the first thing that he does to patients who are on statins is to make them stop taking it and give them CoQ10.

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                      Oh crud I pushed a key and now my long response got deleted. Ah, I do that all the time!


                      Well anyways...

                      Yes, I am a PRE-med student (when I have the money and a few more credits I am applying to med school... might be a few years). I visited a natropath in my town here and she was a total quack. She became defensive and rude when I questioned her or referenced a allopathic journal(though she probably thought I was the rude one). I don't think that all natropaths are necessarily bad, but it is very easy to go on there a believer and waste a lot of money on supplements that won't do squat. There are only a handful of supplements that I think are beneficial and are backed up by very good quality studies.


                      Yes, just take CoQ10 off the shelf.

                      I also think high dose niacin is a good replacement for a satin. This one can be tricky, though... If you can find a doctor that will supervise her on it that would be the way to go for sure. I am still doing research on it therefore I do not feel comfortable recommending dose, frequency, etc.


                      Do some reading, present journal articles to your doc (not blog posts or anything can can potentially invalidate your argument in his/her eyes). Pub med is a good place to start. Ironically, Doc Eades happened to post on this very subject recently:

                      http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/c...ill-the-beans/

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                        Thanks Katie for your insightful comments as always. I hope this naturopath I'm going to is good. I googled for one in my city and his practice was the first hit. He was trained an allopath but switched to naturopathy because he was dissatisfied with the way conventional medicine was practised. I contacted another Naturopath who was recommended by a member of the local WAPF chapter, she's said to be from the Hannah Kroger school. But when I spoke to her over the phone, she sounded just like any other doctor. When I told her my mum has high cholesterol, she said she should stop eating cheese, red meat and butter. I didn't bother to make an appointment after she said that.


                        Will try to buy CoQ10 as soon as I can. My brother-in-law is a cardiologist, he's going to be peeved when he learns that I urged my mom to stop the statins!

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                          klcarbaugh,


                          Thanks for the link! I agree that Niacin looks much better than statins for reducing plaque in arteries.


                          The only problem I see in the study, is that Niacin produces a noticeable "flush", which is probably not replicated by the placebo in the study. Just playing "Devil's Advocate" here...


                          Is ths enough to invalidate the study? Probably not, but I think that's where the attacks will come from.


                          Hurry up and get your license. I want YOU to be my doctor :-D

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                            Thanks, KLCB!!!

                            Please do let me know...although I am not suffering from arterial issues, I know of a lot of people who are. I would probably be taking Niacin myself every day, but the flush effect makes me want to scratch my skin open, which is not good. If it were an issue of keeping my arteries clear, however...I would deal with it.


                            Blessings to you and your career...we need you!

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                              KLCB,


                              Wasn't quite worth an edit---but I am having some O.A. issues just now...mostly hip joints. This seems to have become apparent after I injured the meniscus in my left knee a couple of months ago. MRI showed degenerative effects in that knee; I can assume the same has happened in other joints as well.


                              Any thoughts on that? I've been PB since Aug 4, taking a multi, 2.4K mgs fish oil, 4K units D3....


                              Small potatoes, I know, but since I have you ;-)

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