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  • Grains, not evil, just abused.

    It is my understanding that grains, or agriculture, I use the terms interchangeably, allowed for the development of cities, or clustered centers of habitation, which in turn opened the flood gates for a ton of technological progress.

    They've served their purpose, now we move on. But let us give credit where it is due.

  • #2
    Originally posted by dado View Post
    It is my understanding that grains, or agriculture, I use the terms interchangeably, allowed for the development of cities, or clustered centers of habitation, which in turn opened the flood gates for a ton of technological progress.
    Civilization is the worst thing to happen to humanity and a pretty awful thing to happen to this planet. Our technological progress serves mostly to rectify the mistakes that civilization caused in the first place.
    You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Grumpy Caveman View Post
      Civilization is the worst thing to happen to humanity and a pretty awful thing to happen to this planet. Our technological progress serves mostly to rectify the mistakes that civilization caused in the first place.
      If nothing else, then for the ability to collect and share ideas, on paper and now electronically, thus philosophy, which is the quest to answer the question "how to live my life?", if nothing else is positive about this technological progress, this is enough.

      There is no inherent meaning, of course, but contemplating this question and sharing answers at least gives life the most pure and truest of pleasures.
      Last edited by dado; 05-24-2011, 07:45 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Grumpy Caveman View Post
        Civilization is the worst thing to happen to humanity and a pretty awful thing to happen to this planet. Our technological progress serves mostly to rectify the mistakes that civilization caused in the first place.
        I tend to agree on a lot of points re: the above, but I sure like my hot running water & flush toilet.

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        • #5
          Sheesh, it was an accident of history due to someone figuring out how to make beer!

          Don't give grains so much credit!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by LJH View Post
            I tend to agree on a lot of points re: the above, but I sure like my hot running water & flush toilet.
            Yeah, it would be tough for us moderns to go back to that way of living, but ignorance is bliss. There's no hot running water to miss if you never had any.
            You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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            • #7
              Agriculture, not just of grains, facilitated the development of civilization, but that does not mean ipso facto that grains are good. Grains do in fact fatten people easily, and artificially, meaning not as nature/evolution intended. So, for a starving people grains have a roll, but most westerners are in the gone-too-far stage of the grain-based diet and food development. Walk through a supermarket and see how many foods you can find that do not have some form of grain in them, and you can understand that we have pushed the boundaries way past a bowl of porridge for breakfast. Humans and the animals most humans eat are artificially being fattened primariy on corn/soy products. PB is about recogonizing what we evolved to eat and getting our bodies back to a more natural way of eating, especially since this heavily grain-based diet leads directly to most of the diseases of moderity. The Golden Mean of any grain advantage to humans probably happened six hundred or more years ago. In short, if you do only eat a bowl of porridge a day, then you might be okay, but that is virtually impossible for the average person shopping in the typical food market.
              This time, like all times, is a very good one, if we but know what to do with it. Ralph Waldo Emerson

              Any given day you are surrounded by 10,000 idiots.
              Lao Tsu, founder of Taoism

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              • #8
                Dont forget about the evils of sugar, either. High Fructose Corn Syrup...yeah, there's an accomplishment for man to add to the list under "civilization"!
                If you can just get your....mind together....then come on across to me.....
                James Marshall (Jimi)Hendrix

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                • #9
                  Grains only made the human plague much worse.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dado View Post
                    It is my understanding that grains, or agriculture, I use the terms interchangeably, allowed for the development of cities, or clustered centers of habitation, which in turn opened the flood gates for a ton of technological progress.
                    Don't forget organized religion. That's a real bright spot.

                    Oh, and division of labor. We need elites to tell us how to live our lives. And slaves.

                    Bioweapons. They're only scary until you think about nanoweapons.

                    Every silver lining has a cloud, dude.

                    Gordo

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Grumpy Caveman View Post
                      Civilization is the worst thing to happen to humanity and a pretty awful thing to happen to this planet. Our technological progress serves mostly to rectify the mistakes that civilization caused in the first place.
                      Anti-civilization angst is all well and good, but to be honest it wasn't really that bad until the ramping up of consumerism and excessive fossil fuel use. The way I look at it, civilization is are only shot at organized space travel, and thus our species' only chance at thriving beyond the lifetime of our planet. If you loved your childrens childrens childrens children, you'd understand :P

                      On a serious note, the "evilness" of grains gets overstated by the primal community. There was a reason humanity went through so much trouble to get at the starch in the first place. Most people can handle the glucose in starches(i.e. most of you probably eat potatoes and white rice) in moderation. White flour gets a bad rap because a percentage of the population cant handle the protein it contains. Which is fine, if it bothers you, don't eat it. Doesn't necessarily make it evil. Grains are more of an accessory to the dietary crimes committed by the processed food industry rather than the being the sole culprit. I'd be more worried about the proliferation of PUFAS, the slandering of animal fats and products, and excessive fructose consumption.
                      Last edited by Red Wire; 05-25-2011, 06:37 AM.
                      "One can only be a perfect physician for oneself alone. " ~ Luigi Cornaro

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dado View Post
                        But let us give credit where it is due.
                        We do.

                        We give agriculture credit for being the achievement that lead to civilization.
                        We also give it credit for introducing "foods" that are largely destroying the health of our species.

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                        • #13
                          I'll give grains credit for being able to sustain the life of humans (and other animals) that normally would not have survived, or even been born, and have put a strain on other resources of the planet. Way to grains.

                          And yes, I understand the hypocrisy of my post. I may or may not have been born/lived this long without grains.
                          People too weak to follow their own dreams will always try to discourage others.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dado View Post
                            If nothing else, then for the ability to collect and share ideas, on paper and now electronically, thus philosophy, which is the quest to answer the question "how to live my life?", if nothing else is positive about this technological progress, this is enough.

                            There is no inherent meaning, of course, but contemplating this question and sharing answers at least gives life the most pure and truest of pleasures.
                            I find I'm actually happiest when I don't think about how I should live my life. Thinking like that just gets me into an existential funk.

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                            • #15
                              Civilization is great for the group, but generally terrible for the individual.

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