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    The below was copied from the Calorie In/Out thread at number 56 -

    "The concept here that so many fail to grasp is that fat does not need the action of insulin to be stored as fat--if you don't burn it through activity, it will be stored as bodyfat...it does not magically disappear and no, it is not excreted. Unlike carbohydrates, which first must be converted to triglycerides (fat) and then shuttled to storage through the action of insulin, fat is already fat--if you don't use it, plan on wearing it on your ass and thighs."

    I think it merits discussion.

  • #2
    I do think it’s an interesting point, especially for VLC eaters who may think that it’s okay to eat a lot of fat or food in general if your carbs are low. The thing is though, that does seem to work relatively well for some time, so it’s tough to determine when exactly it stops “working” …
    I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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    • #3
      This will never end, will it.
      If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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      • #4

        My thread is better!

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        • #5
          That simplifies the matter of eating fat way too much. Even Taubes et.al. never said fat in and of itself made one skinny or fat. Its the satiety it brings, the control of hunger, such that one really doesn't ever *overeat* when on a predominately high fat diet that aids the weight control (loss or maintenance). Carbs by their nature are chaotic within the body, going through so many processes spiking insulin here and fat storage there, causing hunger pangs there and swinging blood glucose there.

          If you can satisfy your energy needs from fat which goes easy on your body, thats preferable to satisfying it with carbs which go hard on the body in so many ways.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tfarny View Post
            This will never end, will it.
            Nope, but at least it's better than "I only eat wholegrain now coz it's low GI"
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            • #7
              I see none of the responses address to me what is most interesting, i.e. "fat does not need the action of insulin to be stored as fat--if you don't burn it through activity, it will be stored as bodyfat...it does not magically disappear and no, it is not excreted." Is this factually correct? If so it might explain why so many people here lose the initial 7-10 pounds of water weight from cutting carbs, then stop losing, and any many cases, start gaining again. What about all the advice given on this board to folks who have stalled and or are gaining under PB or quasi PB to "eat more fat"?

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              • #8
                I don't think anyone is arguing against that. However, it is almost misleading. The real question should be, if that is true, is eating fat still preferable to eating carbs and will still lose weight in the long run? I maintain the carbs are the harsher way on the body to get energy resulting in inflammation and fat gain in all the wrong places.

                I lost nearly 50 pounds cutting carbs and raising fat. I am at 17% bodyfat right now so its not like I lost most of it as water weight...

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                • #9
                  Yes this is factually correct but only in the context of hypercaloric energy levels. Keep in mind de novo lipogenesis is not a common occurance.
                  Don't be a paleotard...

                  http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...oxidation.html

                  http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...torage-qa.html

                  http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...rn-fat-qa.html

                  http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...-you-need.html

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by chima_p View Post
                    Yes this is factually correct but only in the context of hypercaloric energy levels. Keep in mind de novo lipogenesis is not a common occurance.
                    Interesting. Are you saying it is technically possible, but practically doesn't happen? Can/would you provide further detail?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dboxing View Post
                      Interesting. Are you saying it is technically possible, but practically doesn't happen? Can/would you provide further detail?


                      De novo lipogenesis in humans: metabolic and regulatory aspects
                      Don't be a paleotard...

                      http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...oxidation.html

                      http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...torage-qa.html

                      http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...rn-fat-qa.html

                      http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...-you-need.html

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                      • #12
                        "It is concluded that DNL is not the pathway of first resort for added dietary CHO, in humans. Under most dietary conditions, the two major macronutrient energy sources (CHO and fat) are therefore not interconvertible currencies; CHO and fat have independent, though interacting, economies and independent regulation. The metabolic mechanisms and physiologic implications of the functional block between CHO and fat in humans are discussed, but require further investigation."


                        CHO is carbohydrate; therefore this research does not address excess dietary fat being stored as fat directly. I don't understand.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wildwabbit View Post
                          That simplifies the matter of eating fat way too much. Even Taubes et.al. never said fat in and of itself made one skinny or fat. Its the satiety it brings, the control of hunger, such that one really doesn't ever *overeat* when on a predominately high fat diet that aids the weight control (loss or maintenance). Carbs by their nature are chaotic within the body, going through so many processes spiking insulin here and fat storage there, causing hunger pangs there and swinging blood glucose there.

                          If you can satisfy your energy needs from fat which goes easy on your body, thats preferable to satisfying it with carbs which go hard on the body in so many ways.
                          I was listening to an interview with Robert Lustig and he claimed that they have to add sugar to fat when testing excessive fat diets in animals. You can't get animal test subjects to overeat fat.

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                          • #14
                            i still think it boils down to everybodys body being different. i learned that my body likes fat over carbs for fuel. when i was in ketosis and not taking in high fat when i would stand up i would get dizzy. when i started handfuls of almonds that went away. i am down to 7.8% body fat and i still stay under 100 grams of carbs per day and i stay at 57 grams of healthy fat per day. i only take in saturated fat from coconut oil and the rest of my fat is mono or poly-unsaturated fat from almonds, almond butter, avocados and eggs

                            i went primal in feb 2010
                            200lbs
                            37% body fat
                            38-40 waist

                            1 year to the day
                            140lbs
                            7.8% body fat
                            29 waist

                            currently
                            137lbs
                            7% body fat
                            29 waist

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                            • #15
                              I thought your question to me was about de novo lipogenesis.

                              The article does provide clues though about your original question.

                              While your body is trying to burn through the calories from CHO (since they are not being turned to fat and stored they must be used first) any fat from the meal must be stored since the metobolic pathways are open for CHO to be used as fuel not fat. If you are in a caloric surplus (past your bodies ability to NEAT or TEF) the fat will stay. If your calories are below TEE (again includes TEF and NEAT) then you will remobilze and oxidize fat only after the CHO is gone (stored as glycogen or oxidized).
                              Don't be a paleotard...

                              http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...oxidation.html

                              http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...torage-qa.html

                              http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...rn-fat-qa.html

                              http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...-you-need.html

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