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  • Ancient Egyptians had heart disease???

    Please don't associate my crediblity with this article -
    Mummies Prove that Heart Disease Was an Ancient Problem - Planet Green

    Article states, with not much backup, that ancient egyptians had heart disease from eating a lot of meat.

  • #2
    They may have had heart disease, but the article slips back into CW with assumptions that it's from meat.

    Remember, this civilization was not primal- they were agrarian.

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    • #3
      You could just as easily say that they had heart disease from eating grains, which were the staple of the Egyptian diet. True, royalty likely consumed more meat, though they also did less physical activity than the rest of the population.

      Ultimately, if you're only evaluating well-preserved Egyptian mummies (who would have all eaten a comparatively richer diet), there just aren't enough data points to even form a hypothesis on the cause of their atherosclerosis, let alone "prove" that it was caused by meat. Confirmation bias at work!
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      • #4
        And the royalty probably also ate lots of honey.
        You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Grumpy Caveman View Post
          And the royalty probably also ate lots of honey.
          And drank lots of beer. Or mead.

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          • #6
            Mary Enig says that heart disease was virtually non-existent (there were a few cases) in the early 1920s. Around that time, vegetable oils started to be used and then there was an epidemic in the 1950s.

            Then again, Uffe Ravskov says atherosclerosis is not a disease and instead is a defense mechanism for strengthening arteries. He said only the coronary arteries go through atherosclerosis because they are under a lot of pressure so the body builds plaque to strengthen it. He says that what causes the actual heart attack is bacteria and in all autopsies, the there were different kinds of bacteria in the plaque. He said that victims often felt flu like symptoms hours/days before the heart attack.

            This maybe why some studies done on the Masai tribe also reveal that they have atherosclerosis as well.

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            • #7
              "Heart healthy"(heh) wheat was THE OVERWHELMING staple of ancient Egypt, ancient Egyptians ate a ton of wheat. It's hilarious how these morons try to spin this as caused by meat.

              EDIT: Oh, I get it, that is a vegetarian website:
              http://planetgreen.discovery.com/foo...eigh-less.html
              They're not morons, they're just vegetarians. Not that there's a whole lot of difference anyways.
              Last edited by Laconophile; 05-23-2011, 06:12 PM.
              Ye shall know them by their fruits.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Laconophile View Post
                "Heart healthy"(heh) wheat was THE OVERWHELMING staple of ancient Egypt, ancient Egyptians ate a ton of wheat. It's hilarious how these morons try to spin this as caused by meat.

                EDIT: Oh, I get it, that is a vegetarian website:
                Why Do Vegetarians and Vegans Weigh Less? - Planet Green
                They're not morons, they're just vegetarians. Not that there's a whole lot of difference anyways.
                You are isolating and attacking just that one case. There is a growing body of evidence that the Masai and the Innuit had the same problem.

                It is NOT heart disease, to be specific, it is vascular disease. There is no proof that they ever sustained heart attacks as a result of the plaque, but the plaque in itself is probably not a great thing to have.
                Last edited by straxville; 05-23-2011, 08:05 PM.

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                • #9
                  Yup. Lots of wheat in ancient Egypt. I'm pretty sure one of the Ramses (II?) was found to have tons of cavities in his teeth and cysts in his jaw from a diet that was probably full of sweets and bread with sand in it (mmm...stoneground!).

                  They ate lots of lentils, too. And a ton of beer, because river water was probably dangerous, and of course the beer had honey in it. They also wore cosmetics that were made of poisonous minerals and metals.

                  They had recipes for all sorts of things, too. Including hyenas. Honey-roasted hyena, stuffed with frankincense and myrrh! Gimme some!

                  So anyway...as others have mentioned, ancient Egyptians were not paleo. They suffered from other degenerative diseases which spawned a number of medical papyrii and some of the ancient world's best doctors. They had a miserable birth rate and short lives. They built beautiful things anyway.

                  Plus, y'know...honey-roasted hyenas.
                  Steph
                  My Primal Meanderings

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for the link. Interesting reading.

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                    • #11
                      They drank beer for water.

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