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    Sorry for 2 question posts in a row. What is people's take on oatmeal? Other than the "it's a grain and grains are bad" route, I recall reading in several places that it is less refined and less nutrient inhibiting than other grains. Sort of like if you had to go with a grain, oatmeal would be the better choice? The nutrition label just says "rolled oats," no added sugars etc. What do people here think of oatmeal?


    Also - which would be healthier, or should I say least unhealthy - a bowl of oats or an apple (same carb value). An apple is natural but made of fructose, is that any worse, better than, or just as bad as oatmeal?


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    An apple is better for you. You are on the wrong forum if you are asking this question to be honest.

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      Bobbylight - I have been following MDA for over a year. We all learn new things constantly, I am most recently interested in fructose. Please get off your high horse, it is an honest question.

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        Erm, as far as grains go they are all bad for you. None are better, but I've read a lot about soaking them to make them less toxic. Check out WAPF for more info on the proper prep for grains.


        I made my boys some quinoa flakes today as a sub for oatmeal. All of my research says quinoa is not a grain, and Mark has a post on quinoa where his only complaint is the carb content, which frankly I'm not concerned about for my toddlers!

        The more I see the less I know for sure.
        -John Lennon

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          It's like the difference between having paraplegia and quadriplegia to use examples with hyperbole.

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            Rice before potato? How come? (actually curious, not a snark!)

            The more I see the less I know for sure.
            -John Lennon

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              Just yesterday, I read on PaNu (Dr.Kurt Harris' blog) that if one has to eat starch, then it's better to stick with white rice or potatoes. I was going to post a question today about the difference between white rice and brown rice. My husband is not primal so I've been making him brown rice (soaked and fermented) and almost eliminated other grains. And now I'm wondering if white rice is a better option. Katie, any idea why white rice would be better than brown - less phytic acid perhaps?


              Shouldn't oats be down in the list since it contains gluten? I don't know, just asking...

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                A grain is a grain is a grain.....well, almost.


                We argued about quinoa recently here. While not a grass seed, it is a plant seed, like buckwheat is. And they have all the lectins, phytates, n-6 fats, and carbs that all seeds have.


                Most of the lectins, phytates, and glutens are in the germ. That's why white rice is "better" for you than brown.


                k, I'm curious why you say corn is the least obnoxious grain. But I agree with your lists, otherwise.

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                  halloweenbing - I vaguely remember a post from Mark about sensible indulgences and steel cut oats was one of those - thought I don't remember why.


                  Comparing the nutritional info of steel cut oats and a small red delicious apple, you have the same amount of fiber, similar carbs levels (oats have 7 more g), the downside of the apple is the sugar contents (17g compared to 0g in the oatmeal). The apple does appear to have more nutritional value, providing Vit A, C, Calcium, and Iron where the oats provide only calcium and iron. Granted, I'm using The Daily Plate on Livestrong.com so there's no guarantee they're providing a complete nutritional profile.


                  Choosing between an apple or oatmeal, I'd probably opt for half the apple and pair it with cheese or a nut butter. I think that's the more sensible indulgence.


                  I'm curious about the fructose issue too.

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                    I'm one who considers steel cut oats a "sensible indulgence" from time to time. I wouldn't have a bowl, but about 1/4 cup, along with a protein. I was eating it a few days a week along with eggs in the morning, but I've since cut back and will probably have it once every few weeks if the desire hits.

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                      Halloweenbing - I found this comment from Mark regarding the oat/grain issue. In this comment he was talking about banana's but the apple would be similar...


                      "The reason not to eat grains includes their containing phytates, gluten and lectins, all of which pose health considerations beyond just the carbs. Bananas are simply a decent source of carbs for those looking to add a few extra grams here or there.


                      If you are looking to cut carbs by cutting fruit, you would probably want to cut the bananas out because of their glycemic load…and have, say, berries instead."


                      So the apple would be a healthier choice over oats. If you are not wanting the extra carbs, eat other fruits that have a lower sugar content.

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                        It may not be fair to compare apples to bananas. Apples have the highest fructose/glucose ratio of any fruit.


                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructos....28g.2F100g.29

                        Everything in moderation, including moderation.

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                          There are a bunch of problems associated with your liver not being able too handle a high load of fructose.


                          I am unable to find what a "high load" is.


                          I have found that 1 can of soft drink is too much at 23g of fructose.


                          An apple has 1/3 the fructose as a can of soda.


                          One apple should be fine. 3 is too many. 2 I don't know. 1 apple and a glass of OJ is too much.


                          I am never drinking juice or soft drinks ever again.

                          Don't be a paleotard...

                          http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...oxidation.html

                          http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...torage-qa.html

                          http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...rn-fat-qa.html

                          http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...-you-need.html

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                            My take...they are still grains...and I would avoid them as much as possible. But, IF you eat them *definitely* soak them. It is the best way to minimize the impact of the anti-nutrients in the oats. Oats should be soaked overnight preferably w/ some added yogurt or whey or vinegar or lemon juice...


                            more here:

                            http://www.highonhealth.org/why-its-very-important-to-soak-oats-before-you-eat-them/


                            The book Nourishing Traditions is an excellent resource and goes into more detail on this.

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                              OTB, I followed that other quinoa thread, and couldn't find any real info on it. Where did you get the information about quinoa being the same as other grains, I would really like to see the comparison.

                              The more I see the less I know for sure.
                              -John Lennon

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