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  • Are legumes healthier than fruit, nuts and potatoes?

    Fruit has fructose which is the worst of all carbs. Fruit has a lot of vitamin c but our body does not really require it. It's easy to get anyway.

    Most nuts have a sick amount of omega 6. They also have more phytic acid than grains and legumes.

    Legumes have a lot of nutrition like nuts. They may have a lot of carbs but they also have a lot of fiber.

    If you don't pass gas after eating then why not eat them over potatoes, fruit and most nuts? They seem to be healthier to me.

    What do you guys think?
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    Grok Father, Mark Sisson, says no legumes.

    Sooo... no legumes for me, tyvm
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
      Grok Father, Mark Sisson, says no legumes.

      Sooo... no legumes for me, tyvm
      Fair enough. BUT, he puts it in the same category as dairy. 90% of the primal community consumes dairy regularly. So, why not legumes?
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      • #4
        I've always thought similarly. I think fruit is incredibly overrated. It's the worst natural sugar paired with virtually no nutritional value. Beans contain lots of fiber, a good amount of protein and are nutritionally superior to fruits. Sure, they contain toxins, but every plant does in some quantity. Plus, you can soak and/or ferment some of the toxins out. You can't do that with fruit. It always has fructose, which has been shown to be more metabolically harmful than alcohol.

        *shrugs*

        Are black beans really worse for you than an apple? On paper, they look better, but they will make your gut grumble, unlike an apple. But hey, so do avocados a little and they are loved around here. Hell, if you really want your gut to grumble, eat flax. I'm on a carb refeed right now and I've eaten 5 skinless sweet potatoes today. My intestines are singing. They're singing, "Gurgle, gurgle, gurgle!" Tomorrow should be a fun day. I'm glad no one sits behind me.
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        • #5
          I would love to know the answer.

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          • #6
            Well, remember to ask: what would Grok do? Grok seemed to get along just fine on fruit, but he probably wouldn't go out of his way to soak/ferment/cook beans and other legumes. And if we're going by what Sisson said, in the PB he both outlawed legumes and put fruits right next to vegetables in the base of the primal food pyramid.

            When I lost 50lbs on PB about a year ago, I ate fruit on a daily basis and never ate legumes.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
              I've always thought similarly. I think fruit is incredibly overrated. It's the worst natural sugar paired with virtually no nutritional value. Beans contain lots of fiber, a good amount of protein and are nutritionally superior to fruits. Sure, they contain toxins, but every plant does in some quantity. Plus, you can soak and/or ferment some of the toxins out. You can't do that with fruit. It always has fructose, which has been shown to be more metabolically harmful than alcohol.

              *shrugs*

              Are black beans really worse for you than an apple? On paper, they look better, but they will make your gut grumble, unlike an apple. But hey, so do avocados a little and they are loved around here. Hell, if you really want your gut to grumble, eat flax. I'm on a carb refeed right now and I've eaten 5 skinless sweet potatoes today. My intestines are singing. They're singing, "Gurgle, gurgle, gurgle!" Tomorrow should be a fun day. I'm glad no one sits behind me.
              I have been experimenting recently and notice that I don't do well with apples, clementines, etc. Sugar with no nutrition.................. Bananas are fine and of course berries.

              I'm not excluding all fruits. But a lot. Avocado is a fruit but is one of the healthiest plant foods around.
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              • #8
                Always going to find reasons against and for. So make a call based on how you handle legumes. Prepare them properly and go for it. Ferris likes them a lot.
                Fruit isn't too bad not much fructose in a couple of pieces.

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                • #9
                  Is this like cherry-picking the Ten Commandments?

                  "They all sound good, but can I take a pass on #7 and #9?"

                  You can eat whatever you want. Eat beans if you like, but why are you wanting/needing others to agree with you?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Primal_VTHokie View Post
                    Well, remember to ask: what would Grok do? Grok seemed to get along just fine on fruit, but he probably wouldn't go out of his way to soak/ferment/cook beans and other legumes. And if we're going by what Sisson said, in the PB he both outlawed legumes and put fruits right next to vegetables in the base of the primal food pyramid.

                    When I lost 50lbs on PB about a year ago, I ate fruit on a daily basis and never ate legumes.
                    After listening to mark sisson talk at primal con I have reason to believe that a revised edition would limit fruits except berries. Today's fruit is a he'll of a lot different than Paleolithic times. And, mark puts legumes in the same category as dairy. Not ideal, but ok.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Blackbird View Post
                      Is this like cherry-picking the Ten Commandments?

                      "They all sound good, but can I take a pass on #7 and #9?"

                      You can eat whatever you want. Eat beans if you like, but why are you wanting/needing others to agree with you?
                      I am not wanting nor needing anyone to agree with me. I simply have reason to believe that legumes may be healthier. I have greater reasons to consume fruit over legumes for at least the next year.
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                      • #12
                        Legumes do bad things to my digestive system. Most fruits do, too. I avoid both, though I probably will make at least one exception for chili this winter, lol. Kind of like I *will* eat cake at my daughters' weddings in 20 years. No rule is without exception. If you want legumes really badly and you think your body can handle them, go for it.
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                        • #13
                          You know, I really think that, just like dairy, legumes are an individual kind of thing. I occasionally eat fruit (other than berries, that is, as I eat A LOT of berries) and do fine. As for dairy, I do not do well on dairy so I had to exclude it form my diet (in spite of having access to most awesome raw pastured dairy, even made a ton of cultured butter from it per Mark's recipe but my body really does not tolerate dairy well, even super high fat and cultured). For some reason, nuts are not a problem for me (I am addicted to the Berry Nut Crumble from Mark's most recent cooking book) and as long as I don't eat more than 1 cup, ideally 1/2 cup a day, they actually help me lose weight which is kind of weird but, again, everyone is a very different animal, what works for others, may be different for you. Other than peanuts (as in, peanut stew on occasion), legumes do not agree with me so, for me, yes, they are A TON worse than fruit or nuts. That does not mean they are bad for you though. As long as you don't overdo it, give it a try and see how you/ your body react(s). Good luck and Grok on!

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                          • #14
                            Legumes, nuts, seeds, and grains are all forms of seeds; some might be lower in omega-6 than others, but they compensate for it by being much higher in other undesirable compounds, some of which are quite toxic (even poisonous in the case of certain raw legumes). If you're going to eat any of these foods, it's best to sprout them, or, at the very least, soak them.
                            Last edited by tarek; 05-22-2011, 09:40 PM.

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                            • #15
                              I may be wrong, but I recall from PB Mark saying alot of awful things about legumes (toxic, phytic acid, much likes grains they have to be cooked in such a crazy manner to not be toxic that Grok wouldn't have done it regularly).

                              Not sure where fiber ends up being a good thing with all the toxins - that sounds like a very CW argument - Mark also devotes a chapter of PB to talking about how we get all our necessary Fiber from veggies.. and how added fiber is unnecessary to say the least.

                              Also, I could reach for the book to confirm, but I remember the occasional indulgences being dairy, red wine, and dark chocolate.. not legumes. Perhaps I'm wrong.

                              And as everyone has said, if it works for you, then do it. I just don't see the point of regularly incorporating something that doesn't give me any additional nutrition, is bad for my gut if not fermented, is high in carbs, and is toxic..
                              Personally, lentils/peanuts wreak havoc on my digestive system - I am much more sensitive to them than even grains or sugar. This is always the final decision maker for me. If it doesn't make me feel good, I don't eat it.

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