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    I know I know... you are all probably rolling your eyes. Not another one of THESE posts. I read these posts all the time and think - "more fat"... "fewer carbs"... whatever.

    I've been primal for almost two years. Prior to that, I ate a traditional foods diet - so I'm not a stranger to high fat/moderate protein eating... the only thing that changed were the carbs. I lost weight quickly and have maintained effortlessly.

    I'm in the midst of working on losing the last bit of body fat - I've recently gained a fair bit of muscle & strength(over the past year, quite steadily but more consistently gaining muscle weight since January). This has translated to 8 lbs on the scale, and my clothes are fitting much tighter. I can see muscle definition - and I don't feel any "fatter" - given my fitness regime & recent strength gains, I'd say this is muscle gain for sure. Of course, with the extra muscle - I'm thinking its time for the last bit of extra fat to go (I'd guess I'm sitting between 25-30% and would like to get to between 20-25%. )

    I'm fairly strictly primal, although I have been eating a fair amount of fruit since January. I've begun eating with more adherence to Mark's weight loss suggestions (I figured out my caloric requirement which came in at about 2200 using the Harris Benedict equation) since Monday, and I've cut all fruit except for berries. I eat very little dairy (yogurt, butter, heavy cream), and moderate amounts of protein (about 1g/kilo of body weight - which is close to 70g/day). I do eat sweet potato, and have done so for the entire time I've been primal - I enjoy it a fair bit!

    I've just completed the whole30 as well.. but ate a fair amount of fruit during my 30 days...

    I practice yoga daily (I'm currently in a teacher training course) - with physically challenging practices about 2-3 times a week, I workout (sprint, lht, plyo) once a week (have been regular about this for about 2 months now - with the past two weeks being more intense), and a fair bit of walking.

    I'm starving!!! I feel hunger pangs pretty much all day. Even right after eating! I never really feel satiated by the food I'm eating. I'm going on Day 3 of this. I started tracking yesterday to see if I could see something in my food intake... but I can't figure out why I'm so hungry.

    I'm thinking this is definitely hormone related... although, maybe I need a higher caloric intake? I want to keep fat at 60%, and I don't want to eat too much protein... and well, I do/feel better on a 50 - 75 g carb intake... My caloric intake hasn't really changed a whole lot though, I usually eat between 1600-1800 cal/day. I have higher calorie days and lower - and rarely fast for longer than 12-13 hrs.

    I do keep an eating window of about 8am-6-7pm most days.

    I've also been experiencing PMDD, perhaps perimenopause? (I'm 37) I was reading the "venus revisited" stuff on primal wisdom, some of which resonated with me. I think much of paleo/primal eating is based on a male model (as most nutrition/wellness science...), so this line of thinking has sort of peaked my interest a bit. Perhaps women do have a different response to a high fat diet?

    I dunno... I'm usually able to figure this stuff out. But, I'm stumped this time. I enjoy reading the wide variety of advice here, so I thought I'd ask.

    Anyway... first thing - deal with hunger. NOW. I just ate two coconut pancakes, 1/4 cup berries, 2 tbsp. whipping cream, 1/2 tbsp. butter & two cups of tea with 1 1/2 tbsp. coconut milk... and I'm feeling famished!! WTF?

    Then... find a way to shed a few lbs of body fat but not complicate things too much!

    (oh, i supplement with magnesium citrate, vitamin d, b12 & fish oil)

    Here are my fit day numbers from yesterday - I did have a wild boar smokie with no fillers, not the oscar meyer one (eww) but I don't have nutritional info for the smokie I did eat and that was the closest I could find.





    thoughts??
    Last edited by nocturnalmama; 05-13-2011, 08:08 AM. Reason: adding in the right image...
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    Originally posted by nocturnalmama View Post
    I know I know... you are all probably rolling your eyes. Not another one of THESE posts. I read these posts all the time and think - "more fat"... "fewer carbs"... whatever.

    thoughts??
    Eat more. Your caloric requirement is 2200 and your eating 1600-1800. You will be hungry doing this so eat more.

    Keep good fats at 75%.
    Eat more protien: 1g/bl lean body mass.
    Less fruit more starchy tubers if you need the carbs.

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    • #3
      I think that makes sense.... it does... thing is, I've ALWAYS eaten like this - the only thing that has changed since Monday has been a drop in fruit intake. (I used to eat pineapple, grapes, melon... like LOTS of fruit all day)

      I am wondering... on Tuesday, I had a really STRONG, great workout. I did sprints, some box jumps and was able to increase time on planks and lbs on weights. Is is possible that my BMR was effected by ONE workout? I know working out makes you hungry, a la Gary Taubes... but I've really only experienced the hunger on the day of, not lingering for days....

      I certainly do not have a problem with eating more... its a pretty simple solution. An example of this is the salad I ate yesterday - it was MASSIVE and I was STILL hungry pretty much right after eating it? Is that not totally strange?
      Robin
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      • #4
        Are you pregnant? If so, congrats!

        If not, I would have a "feast day" once a week. Similar to a carb re-feed, but I don't track macros. I just eat until I am full and trust my body to work things out. It's a way to boost leptin levels without stressing.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dragonfly View Post
          Are you pregnant? If so, congrats!

          If not, I would have a "feast day" once a week. Similar to a carb re-feed, but I don't track macros. I just eat until I am full and trust my body to work things out. It's a way to boost leptin levels without stressing.
          nahhh... I'm not pregnant. BUT... this makes sense to say that - my hormones have been completely WACKY over the past few months (I'm pretty sure its perimenopause symptoms). This is why I'm leaning toward hormonal reasons for hunger.

          As far as carb refeeds go, I have been reading about this. Although... my carb level is never really all that restricted... usually over 100g/day. I am considering trying this out on my workout day though.

          I've been experimenting with eating sweet potato before a strenuous workout (usually before a vinyasa yoga class, or a strength based class) and have found a massive improvement in stamina/performance...
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          • #6
            I've recently found that increasing carbs, and decreasing fat has helped me from being hungry all the time. It doesn't sound logical, but fats just weren't filling me up, and I also wasn't losing any weight. I've gone from 65% fat/25% protein/10% carbs to an even split (33/33/33) and it has definitely decreased hunger, we'll see if it has an effect on weight loss.
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            • #7
              I come from a background of eating dessert with nearly every meal (tea and a cookie after breakfast anyone?).

              For me, I need something that I see as a treat to tell my brain that meal time is over and to turn off the hunger switch. On primal, that could be frozen berries with coconut milk, some creamed coconut, or a square or two of dark chocolate. It doesn't need to be a lot (some days its more than others) but it does seem to work.
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              • #8
                I figured out I get gnawing, persistant hunger when I eat things I am sensitive to. If I have even the smallest amount of artificial sweetener I am hungry all day, even when my stomach is full. Coffee also makes me feel "hungry". I'm trying to track what triggers my hunger. Its pretty unnerving and frustrating to be hungry after you finish a meal!

                Some people also get "hunger" from digestive issues. Do you have any trouble with acid relux or indigestion?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by camel View Post
                  I figured out I get gnawing, persistant hunger when I eat things I am sensitive to. If I have even the smallest amount of artificial sweetener I am hungry all day, even when my stomach is full. Coffee also makes me feel "hungry". I'm trying to track what triggers my hunger. Its pretty unnerving and frustrating to be hungry after you finish a meal!

                  Some people also get "hunger" from digestive issues. Do you have any trouble with acid relux or indigestion?
                  hmmm... stevia?

                  digestion is good.
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                  • #10
                    So why don't you eat more calories?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Edje Noh View Post
                      So why don't you eat more calories?
                      I am attempting this today... makes sense doesn't it? I guess what is truly baffling me is that I think I could eat ALL freaking day and STILL feel hungry. I eat & about 10 minutes later, I'm hungry again. So... I eat. I just made myself a protein drink with 2 tbsp. protein powder, ice cubes, 1/4 cup coconut milk, 1/4 cup almond milk & 2 cups yogurt. I am STILL feeling super hungry - this after a full breakfast earlier.

                      I'm going to try salmon for lunch... I dunno. Its just weird, its like my hunger signal won't shut off!!
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                      • #12
                        Sometimes, if I eat too much coconut oil, I forget to eat real food, and I have to eat a piece of fruit to get my appetite going. For me nothing makes me hungrier than eating a piece of fruit. I had to stop eating fruit "crepes" in the morning because within two hours I was starving again. Iwent back to omelettes with meat, and I eat once in the morning and once at night, and have no hunger.

                        I should add that I was hungry all the time too (side effect of ED for years) and the only way I could shut my hunger off was to start eating large amounts of fat, with very little else. So, for instance, if I had eggs and bacon in the morning, yes that's "high fat". But because it's protein and fat, my body wouldn't turn off it's hunger signals. But if I had several pieces of coconut oil bark throughout the day, it took about a week, but finally my body began to relax on the hunger signals. But I needed to give it large doses of fat, with nothing else. I would eat meals in the morning and at night, but would supplement with fat throughout the day, until I had given my body enough.
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                        • #13
                          I wonder if I need more protein? I'm thinking about my workouts this week...

                          Monday - yoga (some standing poses, strength based)
                          Tuesday - lht (I went up on either weight or reps depending on the exercise, it was a great workout - hard!)
                          Wednesday - yoga (handstands!!)
                          Thursday - yoga, very light but we did lots of chaturanga (push up kind of stuff)

                          I've probably taxed my muscles more than usual - I'm resting today before a "play" vinyasa class tonight (an hour long, hot yoga) and then tomorrow will be complete rest or llc. I just wonder if the recent gain in strength is requiring more protein to rebuld because I was able to work harder at my workouts this week?

                          Its almost as though my body is looking for something... and its signalling hunger until it gets what its looking for?? Does that make sense? Aren't protein/leptin/hunger all tied together?

                          Perhaps I'll boost the protein for the rest of the day and see... although the protein smoothie I just drank is doing NOTHING for me - that had 18g of protein!

                          Either that or I'm broken. One or the other.

                          Could my metabolism have shifted??
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                          • #14
                            I'd definately try more protein. But, try to get it from meat and eggs. I love protein powder for getting my protien up, but it's never worked on protein cravings.

                            Worth a shot, try to shoot for 1g per lb of lean mass for a few days and see if that helps.

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                            • #15
                              Its almost as though my body is looking for something... and its signalling hunger until it gets what its looking for?? Does that make sense?
                              If protein doesn't work, then try more fat. Works for me every time.
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