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    Hi everyone. I don't know if this is really the proper forum to ask for this kind of advice but everyone here seems so knowledgeable that I thought I'd give it a go. One of my best friends has had skin cancer at the age of 26. She didn't used to go to tanning booths or tan in excessive amounts in the summer - it just appeared one day. Luckily they caught it very early, removed the affected tissue and she was fine. However occasionally potentially cancerous (I don't know if I'm using the correct terminology here) spots appear on her skin and have to get removed again. She has to constantly check her skin for trouble spots. The situation is both scary and horribly inconvenient - she had another operation recently and she is not allowed to go out into sunlight without covering up, carrying an umbrella, wearing a hat and +70 SPF.

    I was wondering if anybody would have any advice for supplements or dietary changes that might help. I know it's a long shot but there is obviously something still wrong in her body since new spots keep appearing... She follows a half-primal diet already as she has celiac disease and lactose intolerance. Her husband is Italian so they only cook with olive oil and occasionally butter in their house, never seed oils. She does however eat plenty of non-gluten grains and sugar. It seems to me like the frequent cancerous spots could be a result of inflammation but then what do I know.

    Thanks for reading, I'm grateful for any suggestions
    Last edited by Ajax; 05-09-2011, 06:26 PM.
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    I am not sure but I believe that infammation does cause your skin to burn more easily. Gluten grains are inflammatory!
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    • #3
      What type of skin cancer was it?
      Dr. A. Bernard Ackerman and his team study tens of thousands of skin specimens a year. He believes that basal cell and squamous cell carcinoma are indeed caused by sun, but melanoma doesn't look like it is caused in the same way.
      My brother in law died of melanoma last May (about a year ago) and he NEVER went in the sun. His mom told me he had a sunburn once when he was about 5 and never had another one that she knew about.
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      • #4
        Low, low carb and lots of vitamin D. Vitamin D is known to be protectant of UV damage in addition to all the other amazing things it does and a low carb diet leads to less inflammation like Toad said. From what I've seen already, even with myself, people really underestimate the amount of carbs they eat. I feel the best when I'm under 50g a day. When it comes to cancer, I'd give something like a pure primal diet a shot if it even had a chance of working.
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        • #5
          at this link - Iodine Cures, about iodine

          BILL'S IODINE FACT SHEET

          From my own clinical experience, repeated application of iodine (Lugol's) to the skin appears to cause regeneration of the skin from the bottom up (Quiescent, stable or stem cell) (3) eventually sloughing the old version of the skin off like a snake molting. If there was a pre-cancerous lesion on the old skin, it is replaced with new skin minus the lesion. There does not seem to be any skin lesions which are not helped or cured by this procedure. In some cases I found clinically obvious low thyroid conditions also needed to be treated to be more effective. Minor lacerations and healing of surgical wounds respond well. If skin regeneration is from the bottom, then there is little or no scar formation.

          All pre-malignant lesions and many other oddities of the skin appear to respond to this regeneration process triggered by topical iodine. I have mentioned previously a patient with a biopsy-proven breast cancer lesion (she refused surgery because of previous cancer treatment) that was strongly fixed to the skin responding well to topical iodine and ended up being a dimple on the breast three year later. (6)

          It is my belief a water solution of iodine (like Lugol's) is an important therapeutic agent for skin. Because of its effectiveness and the results, perhaps many skin diseases are related to local tissue areas of relative iodine deficiency. Perhaps the most graphic lesions are the "keloid" (worm) incision scars formed after surgical procedures. If the iodine intake and tissue levels are adequate, such as in Japan, keloid formation doesn't happen (7). In addition, iodine's ability to trigger natural cell death (apoptosis) (5) makes it effective against all pre-cancerous skin lesions and likely many cancerous lesions. The local site is replaced with normal skin. However, even lesser doses of topical iodine seem to reverse the ominous appearance of skin lesions. Because my older brother died of metastatic melanoma, my chances of getting a malignant melanoma are increased by 400 times. (8-9) Having grown up in Venezuela near the equator my sun exposure at a young age was far above normal. So all suspicious lesions I notice are returned to normal with topical Lugol's."
          Last edited by Wenona1975; 05-11-2011, 10:46 PM.

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          • #6
            Hi Ajax

            I would be the first to say I do not know a lot. But she needs to start asking her doctor lots of questions. What type is it? There are 3 types of skin cancer as said above. Does he have an opinion\idea as to what he thinks these pre cancerous cells will turn into?

            I would imagine getting operated on would be stressful and scarring as well. My understanding here is that there is now a cream that is prescribed, that knocks it off pretty quickly. A friend was prescribed the ointment in Germany. I do not know the name but I can find out for you. I am sure it is not primal but it could help while she is making changes.

            I think you are on the right track regarding dietary changes and when you read your post it really does not sound like to much sun exposure, so then other areas have to be looked at.

            She needs to sit down and write all her questions, and make sure the doctor has a serious discussion with her, so she, husband and you can get a grip and really start looking for solutions.

            Please report back.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Nutritionator View Post
              Vitamin D is known to be protectant of UV damage in addition to all the other amazing things it does
              Plus she surely must need it if she's hiding from the sun and sunblocked etc.
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              • #8
                suspicious lesions I notice are returned to normal with topical Lugol's."
                where do you buy Lugols? Drugstore? Health food store? Vitamin shop?

                I tend to form keloid scars so this is of interest to me, epecially since I will be having surgery next month.

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                • #9
                  I had stage 1 melanoma 3 years ago and i go to the doc once or twice a year to get looked over for cancer. . . it's fairly scarry stuff. I take 4000iu of D a day, not sure if it helps but i hope so . . i still cover up when going outside but i try not to use sunblock
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                  • #10
                    I'm pale complexion and usually burn within 30 minutes out in the sun. I'm talking blister burning, but since I've been supplementing with 10,000IU D3 (Just upped it to 15,000IU) I can be out without sunblock for up to 3 hours with minimal burning and peeling.

                    We discussed the affects of vitamin D in another thread and several others replied that they are less damaged by the sun. Vitamin D is a strong hormone that regulates everything from cholesterol to inflammation.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ajax View Post
                      However occasionally potentially cancerous (I don't know if I'm using the correct terminology here) spots appear on her skin and have to get removed again. She has to constantly check her skin for trouble spots. The situation is both scary and horribly inconvenient - she had another operation recently and she is not allowed to go out into sunlight without covering up, carrying an umbrella, wearing a hat and +70 SPF.

                      ... I know it's a long shot but there is obviously something still wrong in her body since new spots keep appearing...

                      Ajax,
                      I was diagnosed with stage 2 melanoma about 10 or so years ago. It was (is?) believed it was caused by a very bad burn I received as a child ..my mom liked to coat me with baby oil and iodine so I'd have a cute tan....

                      Like your friend, after my first surgury I avoided the sun like the plague As for new spots appearing, that is normal. The more spots (moles) that are removed, the more that will begin to appear. I have had more spots removed and biopsied than I can count. About 2-5 per year. At my last appt and biopsy, my melanoma is considered to be in remission

                      I'll second the comments about D3. I take 10,000IU daily and eat primally. I honestly feel the D3 and primal eating will definetly benefit your friend. And honestly, even my dermatoligst has a tan. If you friend burns easily, have her slowly up her "exposed" time gradually. It worked for me. I still use sunscreen (old habit from when I was first diagnosed) but not the 50+ spf I used to. I can easily spend the day in the sun and not burn nor am I concerned about it.

                      Have her talk to her doctor (and others if she's not comfortable with the answers she receives).
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                      • #12
                        Hi everyone. THANK YOU THANK YOU so much for the replies. I can't tell you how much I appreciate them. I don't know exactly what type of cancer she had but I will forward this thread to her so that she can read through all the information.
                        If you have any more suggestions please keep them coming
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                        • #13
                          I tried to post this earlier but got a message that it had to be approved. Everyone should listen to the interview about iodine and all the health problems deficiency can cause. Remove any extra spaces - curezone.com /upload /Audio /Iodine /IodineDrFlechasDrStanTwoHour.mp3

                          Originally posted by Adrianag View Post
                          where do you buy Lugols? Drugstore? Health food store? Vitamin shop?

                          I tend to form keloid scars so this is of interest to me, epecially since I will be having surgery next month.
                          here's one place you can get it - J.CROW'S®, The usefulness of Iodine, Lugol's Solution of Iodine, USP, Lugol's, Lugol's Iodine,Lugol's Iodine Solutions 5% and 2.2%. Lugols iodine solution consisting of 5% iodide and 10% potassium iodine
                          You can check drugstores, health food stores, etc, I don't know if they'll have it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Adrianag View Post
                            where do you buy Lugols? Drugstore? Health food store? Vitamin shop?

                            I tend to form keloid scars so this is of interest to me, epecially since I will be having surgery next month.
                            You usually have it made by a pharmacist. Here's one of the formulations (the most common)Stainsfile - Lugol's iodine

                            I've never used it for this, only for differentiation of keratinized/non-keratinized epitheliums... yada, yada, yada... my line of work.

                            Hope it helps!!

                            Rubén

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                            • #15
                              Ok, an update on this...

                              I found some videos for those who want to try making their own Lugol's iodine.

                              YouTube - Making Lugol's Iodine (Part 1 of 2)

                              YouTube - Making Lugol's Iodine (Part 2 of 2)

                              After researching the info available, I don't know if I'll dare ingesting it. Maybe its my medical training ( and brainwashing )but it is really scary for me to ingest "I". Maybe in the form of kelp (wakame, nori and kombu) although I've read reports of thyroid problems due to I overdose from kelp.

                              Then, the problem with who is promoting it. Both "Dr. Stan" and "Dr. Flechas". I don't know them, but what I found is not too scientific (conspiracy theories and such). I know better that to use an "Argumentum ad hominem" (If Hitler had said the earth is round and not flat, it will still be true no matter who he was) but read the "Scientific" conclusion from one of the articles of Dr. Flechas on why we may be having problems with "I" deficiency:
                              "Such high requirements for I in an environment depleted of this element, do not have a logical explanation. Unless sometimes in the distant past, the top soil of planet earth contains significant levels of I and meeting these high requirements for I sufficiency could then be achieved with any diet. The theory of evolution does not offer an intellectually satisfying answer to this paradox. However, the Biblical account of the origin of the world through creation 6000 years ago followed by the fall of man and the flood fits very well the current situation. According to the biblical narrative, the Creator declared planet earth and everything in it perfect. Therefore, the original planet earth contained a top soil rich in I, and all elements required for perfect health of Adam, Eve and their descendants. A rebelled archangel was expelled from God’s Habitation for attempting a hostile takeover (Isaiah 14:12-15). His name was Lucifer before the attempt (Isaiah 14:12) and Satan after his expulsion (Luke 10:18). Satan deceived Eve into believing that she could become a goddess by disobeying her Creator (Genesis 3:4,5). A sequence of events followed, culminating in the worldwide flood 4500 years ago. Following this episode, the receding waters washed away the top soil with all its elements into oceans and seas. The new top soil became deficient in I and most likely other essential elements, whose essentialities are still unknown. Mountainous areas became the most I-deficient because the receding waters were the most rapid over the steep slopes, eroding deeper into the soil. The post-deluvian worldwide I deficiency may be a reminder to mankind of the flood, their fallen state and their need for a Redeemer."
                              Guy. E. Abraham M.D., Jorge D. Flechas M.D. and John C. Hakala R.Ph., The Original Internist 9: 30-41, 2002.

                              So I'm still not convinced. I will have to research this further.

                              Hope it helps!!

                              Rubén
                              Last edited by Grafvitnir; 05-16-2011, 10:24 AM.

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