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    I am embarking on a Whole30 because cold turkey is the only way I'm going to kick my sugar cravings.
    However, it will overlap with my senior prom and graduation - both of which are "drinking" events. Now I'm not a big drinker anyways, but I would like to have maybe 2 drinks on prom night and like a glass of champagne at graduation. Will this really ruin a month's hard work?

  • #2
    Yes.
    You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Grumpy Caveman View Post
      Yes.
      Could you elaborate?

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      • #4
        The Whole 30 is predicated on sticking to the plan 100%. If you don't, then you're not doing the Whole 30 anymore.
        You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Grumpy Caveman View Post
          The Whole 30 is predicated on sticking to the plan 100%. If you don't, then you're not doing the Whole 30 anymore.
          Right, nice circular reasoning. So I'm guessing you DON'T know the scientific reasons behind this? Because that's what I was sort of looking for.
          They say Whole30 is 100% because it's so easy to slip from OK this thing ONE day etc. etc. but I know if I plan it ahead, like 1 flute of champagne on Day X, I'll stick to the rest religiously.

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          • #6
            Drink at your prom and graduation and enjoy it! These events only come once in your life and it seems silly to miss out on any of the fun at your age.

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            • #7
              Then you'll fail the Whole 30. But it probably won't matter.

              Scientific reasons? There are a lot of processed foods (especially the high-sugar ones) that can affect gene expression for at least two weeks after eating them. Therefore a cheat even once every two weeks will sabotage you. 30 days of pure clean eating is thought to be enough to put the body back at square one.

              Why are you so angry all the time?
              You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Grumpy Caveman View Post
                Then you'll fail the Whole 30. But it probably won't matter.

                Scientific reasons? There are a lot of processed foods (especially the high-sugar ones) that can affect gene expression for at least two weeks after eating them. Therefore a cheat even once every two weeks will sabotage you. 30 days of pure clean eating is thought to be enough to put the body back at square one.

                Why are you so angry all the time?
                Because you're rude!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by vb66 View Post
                  Drink at your prom and graduation and enjoy it! These events only come once in your life and it seems silly to miss out on any of the fun at your age.
                  Thank you, I see it from that point of view too - I'll just moderate myself. I may end up loving the Whole30 so much that I won't even WANT to drink. I haven't had a sip of alcohol in a while except for wine in a sauce. My Whole30 ends on the first days of my senior trip...oh dear. I'm gonna have to come up with LOTS of reasons why I'm not eating my friend's homemade Italian cooking!! Haha.

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                  • #10
                    Drink, drink as much as you want stick to the light beers or rock it out with some box wine. IF the day before both events, eat some protein before each, and enjoy. The alcohol is burned off immediately before any other food in you're system, and there not enough sugar in either to really have a craving come back.

                    No need to worry about 100% or posting that invisible trophy saying you did a Whole30, leave that drama for the folks with the eating disorders and other mental issues.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tanyayogi View Post
                      Because you're rude!
                      I'm laconic.
                      You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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                      • #12
                        Tanyayogi - vb66 is incorrect about the whole30. I also think that the advice about the prom is totally right. I'll explain my point of view at the end of my reply.

                        Here is some tough love (and it is totally meant that way) so please read this post to the end:

                        If you do some of the whole30 then stop it so you can drink then start it again, you won't have done a whole30 which is 30 consecutive days eating clean. Asking until you find someone to agree with you is just finding someone who will enable your rationalisation.

                        Take responsibility for your decision and either commit to it now, or wait and commit to it after your prom. You obviously haven't made a decision yet - but it's totally up to you what you do and frankly you don't need anyone else's approval. If you want to know how these foods affect you then for goodness sake, find a time when you can try this properly. This is one of those occasions when it's far better to be honest if you want to get the results.

                        The reasons are scientific, nutritional and behavioural.

                        If you've read up on primal and then paleo then you'll know that you need to remove grains ,legumes sugar and dairy completely to:
                        1) ensure that all the anti-nutrients (lets stick with the general expression here) from grains and legumes are removed from your system (and I think that allowing green beans and peas is silly but it's not my system)
                        2) remove as many chemical products from your system as you can in the 30 day period (stuff that isn't food and is preservative or colouring or anything else
                        3) remove lactose and casein from your system
                        4) remove the effects of sugar from your body and get you used to going without it
                        5) remove alcohol and it's effects from your system
                        6) change your eating and cooking behaviours
                        7) change the way you look at foods and their effects on your body
                        8) establish a 'control' against which you can measure your reaction should you wish to re-introduce any of these foods

                        Now what do I think? Wait until after your prom because it won't come again. Live the important moments of your life and if for you as a reasonably healthy young person this means having a drink or two with friends and classmates then do it. Enjoy your successful completion of this part of your life. It's not like you are going out to smoke crack. Once it's over, you will have the time (I presume) to commit to and complete a whole30. Not only will you then be able to get the answers you are after, you will be able to enjoy the feeling of honestly and successfully completing a whole30 as intended.
                        Evolutionary. Ideology that fits biology

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by avelin View Post
                          Tanyayogi - vb66 is incorrect about the whole30. I'll also think that the advice about the prom is totally right. I'll explain my point of view at the end of my reply.

                          Here is some tough love (and it is totally meant that way) so please read this post to the end:

                          If you do some of the whole30 then stop it so you can drink then start it again, you won't have done a whole30 which is 30 consecutive days eating clean. Asking until you find someone to agree with you is just finding someone who will enable your rationalisation.

                          Take responsibility for your decision and either commit to it now, or wait and commit to it after your prom. You obviously haven't made a decision yet - but it's totally up to you what you do and frankly you don't need anyone else's approval. If you want to know how these foods affect you then for goodness sake, find a time when you can try this properly. This is one of those occasions when it's far better to be honest if you want to get the results.

                          The reasons are both scientific, nutritional and behavioural.

                          If you've read up on primal and then paleo then you'll know that you need to remove grains ,legumes sugar and dairy completely to:
                          1) ensure that all the anti-nutrients (lets stick with the general expression here) from grains and legumes are removed from your system (and I think that allowing green beans and peas is silly but it's not my system)
                          2) remove as many chemical products from your system as you can in the 30 day period (stuff that isn't food and is preservative or colouring or anything else
                          3) remove lactose and casein from your system
                          4) remove the effects of sugar from your body and get you used to going without it
                          5) remove alcohol and it's effects from your system
                          6) change your eating and cooking behaviours
                          7) change the way you look at foods and their effects on your body
                          8) establish a 'control' against which you can measure your reaction should you wish to re-introduce any of these foods

                          Now what do I think? Wait until after your prom because it won't come again. Live the important moments of your life and if for you as a reasonably healthy young person this means having a drink or two with friends and classmates then do it. Enjoy your successful completion of this part of your life. It's not like you are going out to smoke crack. Once it's over, you will have the time (I presume) to commit to and complete a whole30. Not only will you then be able to get the answers you are after, you will be able to enjoy the feeling of honestly and successfully completing a whole30 as intended.
                          I understand what you're saying completely - I was looking for a scientific explanation to see whether it would really make it or break it. Thing is, I want to go cold turkey now because I've fallen off the horse because I'm not good at finding a balance right now and being "moderate". I need a month of Whole30 to re-educate my body and taste buds and I know I can commit to it if it's something rigid like the Whole30. Thing is...after prom, there's graduation...after graduation, there's senior trip...after senior trip, there's a trip to Machu Pichu (Peru) with my mother...after that, there's orientation in NY...after THAT it's a hectic month of doing all the things I never did in Buenos Aires (many of which involve amazing restaurants) and packing for college. So that's why I wanna do it these 30 days! It's less than ideal, for sure, but it sure can't do me any harm. I understand I won't get the 100% Whole30 experience but if it gets me away from baking "Primally" and eating 1 cup of heavy cream per day...among other mischief I've been up to, and in the process helps me lose fat and eat better...then I don't see the harm in doing it!
                          I will then plan a REAL Whole30 when I'm settled at NYU yay I'm glad I figured this out.

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                          • #14
                            Good for you!
                            Evolutionary. Ideology that fits biology

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                            • #15
                              I don't see a point in drinking. There are better ways to celebrate major life events, especially by disassociating them with food.
                              --Trish (Bork)
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