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  • Fruit? Acceptable or optimal?

    OK, we are all in agreement about the evils of fructose, but most of the writing here and in the paleo blogosphere seems to refer to HFCS whenever talking about fructose. Yet fruit has lots of fructose.

    In the primal and paloe worlds, fruit is OK, perhaps in moderation, particularly if organic, especially if you trend towards berries. But is fruit consumption optimal? Or just merely acceptable?

    I am not trying to lose weight at this point. I typically have a couple of pieces of fruit daily (like an apple or banana and a handfull of raisins). But I am trying to optimize diet.

    What are your thoughts on it and particularly on how the fructose is processed by our bodies.

    Thanks,
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    • #3
      I think fruit is fine. Some people will get worked up over fruit, but I think most are trying to lose weight. I am trying to lose weight also, but love my apples, grapes, grapefruits, etc. Oh, and I am still losing weight. Down 22 lbs. since. February.
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      • #4
        I consider fruit optional. I don't think there's anything beneficial you get from a fruit that you can't also get from a vegetable. If you like fruit and you find some good stuff and want to eat it, go for it. Personally, I find I like fruit a lot more now that I'm not forcing myself to eat 2-4 servings per day for "health." I'll have a handful of frozen blueberries with cream sometimes if I want a treat, or maybe a grapefruit now and then (grapefruit with avocado and salt is one of my favorite salad toppings), but otherwise, I don't worry about it.

        I would not consider apples, bananas, or raisins optimal, unless you happen to be in South America where the bananas are actually worth eating (seriously, I normally hate bananas, but I had one or two a day for breakfast in Brazil because they were just so darn yummy). Or if you have the chance to pluck a Pink Lady apple off the tree to eat. But apples and bananas just seem like obligation fruits to me (i.e., fruit that you eat because "fruit is good for you").

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        • #5
          optional. too much fructose in todays genetically engineered fruit. eat 1-2 pieces of fruit a day and 6-7 servings of fresh vegetables. vegetables dont cause any blood sugar spikes and provide vitamins and minerals.

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          • #6
            I think it depends on whether you're after losing weight or maintaining your weight. If someone has lots of weight to lose he'd be better off avoiding all fruit for the first 2-3 weeks of his diet. Then adding one fruit a day (one with a low GI like apples,berries etc.) would be a good idea. If you want to maintain your weight I would say 1-2 portions of fruit should be essential to your diet.

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            • #7
              I think fruit is good but easy to overdo. I am usually full enough from dinner that I usually don't want any. I may have one serving a day usually, and it is almost always berries.
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              • #8
                berries are the best bang for your buck

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                • #9
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                  I watched above, i think fruit is good however i think it prolongs the time it takes for your body to be in ketosis. And if you eat to much of the wrong types of fruit it will slow down the ketosis process. I have found that coconut puree increases the level of ketones greatly in my body. Get some ketosis strips and try for yourself.

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                  • #10
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                    Above shows what someone who eats meats etc can transform after going all fruits and veggies. Looks like i am definitely staying with bacon and eggs.
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                    • #11
                      Eating a few servings of fruit a day in addition to a diet that has enough protein and fat /= becoming vegan.

                      Fruit is more paleo than bacon (or dairy), if you really wanna go there.

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                      • #12
                        This is a topic that there seems to be good consensus on.

                        Fruit is not essential.
                        Fruit will slow down weight loss.
                        Modern fruit is much sweeter than traditional and it's available more often.
                        Fruit won't kill you, but watch the amounts, based on what you want to do (lose weight or maintain).
                        Lots of fruit is just like eating candy.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by imasin View Post
                          Eating a few servings of fruit a day in addition to a diet that has enough protein and fat /= becoming vegan.

                          Fruit is more paleo than bacon (or dairy), if you really wanna go there.
                          Fruit is very un-Paleo, considering what is available in mass quantities at the grocery store.

                          Fruit is only really Paleo if you have fruit bearing plants that match what was available a zillion years ago, and nothing else....wimpy plants with sour fruit, only available for a short time. There is no way that humans evolved eating fruit the way it is available now. It's as big a deviation from Paleo as grains are.

                          The bacon/dairy comparison is not a good example. Compare it to meat and fish.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DFH View Post
                            Fruit is very un-Paleo, considering what is available in mass quantities at the grocery store.

                            Fruit is only really Paleo if you have fruit bearing plants that match what was available a zillion years ago, and nothing else....wimpy plants with sour fruit, only available for a short time. There is no way that humans evolved eating fruit the way it is available now. It's as big a deviation from Paleo as grains are.

                            The bacon/dairy comparison is not a good example. Compare it to meat and fish.
                            Nothing now is like what it was a zillion years ago. Grok and family didn't go out to the store to buy his piece of meat and eggs. They hunted them...wild animals. And they didn't only eat the fattiest cuts, they ate everything. Can't compare modern day meat with what Grok would have ate, just like you can't compare our fruit to what Grok would have found. I'm sure that if Grok found a tree brimming with fruit, he would have partaken in some.

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                            • #15
                              I'm not saying that people should OD on fruit. I think it's best to keep fruit consumption seasonal, but in NO WAY is it on par with grains. Apparently there was a ton of fruit at PrimalCon... no grains though.

                              Even if modern fruit is sweeter, that's like saying grain-fed beef isn't paleo because it isn't exactly the same as what our ancestors ate. Dairy and bacon are not paleo according to the technical definition of it (the Robb Wolf approach), but people ignore that when it comes to discussions of 'keeping your diet clean' and instead demonize fruit.

                              If you want to lose weight I wouldn't recommend eating 30 bananas a day, but if you're like me and LIKE fruit, it might make more sense to just track what you're eating and make sure you're not eating too much of it (and make sure you're eating animal products first and foremost), rather than cutting out a food group entirely.
                              Last edited by spakesneaker; 04-25-2011, 09:29 AM.

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