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    Six years ago I had emergency surgery to remove my gallbladder. It was completely blocked up with stones, I was in excruciating pain and in no condition to argue for a less extreme solution, assuming there is one once it gets to that point. Fast forward to January of this year, I learn about Paleo/Primal and have to stop myself from going into a major pissed-off rage at our idiotic government's food triangle and every dumbshit know-nothing health 'expert' who had me eating the very poisons that caused the problem.

    Deep breath - calm .... breathe .... calm .... OK -

    So I started Primal the first week in February. I'm back at my ideal 105 lbs., I feel fantastic, look fantastic (well, still ugly enough to stop shit in mid-air but it's a healthy ugly) and I look forward to every new day as opposed to dreading them like before. Life is good, but the machine is still missing a part and that bothers me.

    I've read a few posts here from folks who are doing great sans gallbladder but also heard Robb Wolf mention some kind of bile supplement is a good idea. Can I get some input/opinions on that one?

    TIA for any comments.

  • #2
    I don't have any problems, and I have no gallbladder and haven't had one for fifteen years.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Griff View Post
      I don't have any problems, and I have no gallbladder and haven't had one for fifteen years.
      Interesting! I don't understand the process - medical science makes my eyes cross and my brain shut down - but like a lot of things, I'm guessing our bodies do some kind of work-around, no? Amazing when you think about it. Props to the Designer .

      Thanks for the reply Griff.

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      • #4
        I would definitely recommend bile salts and digestive enzymes. Just because you feel okay, doesn't mean things are working properly. Your bile system still needs to digest fats and remove toxins from the liver. Since your gallbladder was removed due to gallstones, you need to keep the bile thin and moving so that it does not thicken and form sludge. Bile is important for emulsifying/breaking down fats, may help with constipation, and aids in the assimilation of the fat-soluble vitamins A, D, E and K and essential fatty acids. You might want to look into HCl and choline supps as well.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Griff View Post
          I don't have any problems, and I have no gallbladder and haven't had one for fifteen years.
          What he said, except substitute 11 years for 15 years. I was 29 when I had mine out and have never had a problem since. My dad had his out at 65 and did have recurring problems with diarrhea, so I don't know if our body's ability to "compensate" is influenced by age to some extent.
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          • #6
            My understanding is that without the gallbladder, our bile is on a constant drip, rather than dripped into the gallbladder and squeezed out after a meal. I am not sure how the constant drip develops sludge. Sometimes having a gallbladder with small stones in is referred to as having sludge.

            On a personal note, I have no gallbladder, and it has not been an issue for me. The gallbladder does not create the bile, it just stores it after the liver creates it.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by ennasirk View Post
              What he said, except substitute 11 years for 15 years. I was 29 when I had mine out and have never had a problem since. My dad had his out at 65 and did have recurring problems with diarrhea, so I don't know if our body's ability to "compensate" is influenced by age to some extent.
              This is the most common side effect of gallbladder removal - but it doesn't happen for everyone. It is because the bile is continually dripping, even when no food is being digested. I am not sure how a bile supplement would make that better - in fact, if it is adding bile, I would think it could potentially make it worse.
              Karin

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              • #8
                The liver still produces bile, but not nearly as much as the gallbladder would be able to store. And without the gallbladder the bile is not as readily secreted in the body... the liver can become overwhelmed when faced with large amounts of any fats (mainly, saturated and hydrogenated). Also, with decreased secretion of bile, bile stones can form in the liver. I wouldn't take my chances, but that's just me.
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                • #9
                  I had my gall bladder removed about 20 years ago. My biggest problem after removal was chronic diarrhea-- my motto was, "Imodium is my best friend." Once I started low carb, and then primal, diarrhea ceased to be a chronic problem. I will get bouts if I eat off plan, especially grains (primarily pizza every few months).

                  I started supplementing with probiotics (in the morning/empty stomach) and digestive enzyme(each meal) 3-6 months ago. While I cant give specifics, I think they help. I feel like I have better nutrient absorption.

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                  • #10
                    Coconut oil can be digested without bile ... so unless you're allergic to coconut, there's a convenient replacement oil for you. :-)
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                    • #11
                      I had my gallbladder out in October and then started primal two weeks after surgery. I've not needed to go on supplements, nor have I had any problems with fat content (70% normally).

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                      • #12
                        I had my GB out 26 years ago. Doctors didn't say anything about dietary/nutrient/supplement concerns afterwards at all. In fact, I had pizza for lunch the day I checked out of the hospital

                        I've never had a problem with chronic diarrhea or feelings of nutrient problems until I hit 188 lbs at the end of last year. With MDA, that's gone now.
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                        • #13
                          I had my gallbladder out in 2007 and suffered horribly from chronic, painful diarrhea. Once I eliminated milk, yogurt and all grains, the chronic diarrhea went away. If I eat wheat flour, I am ill for 2-3 days - never the day I eat it, always the next day. Fat does not make me feel ill, whether it is avocado, bacon, butter, coconut, meat, etc.

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                          • #14
                            I had my gallbladder taken out in 2001. I honestly rarely think about it. The human body is an amazing thing, and adapts.

                            Like many others, I didn't even think about it before going Primal, and have no issues whatsoever.

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                            • #15
                              I knew you guys would have a ton of information for me, thanks!

                              After my surgery I went right back to CW 'healthy' eating. No constipation or diarrhea but increasingly bad indigestion & heartburn. That may or may not have been related to the missing gallbladder but it eventually lead me to PB so I count it as a blessing in disguise.

                              tradawg, I appreciate those suggestions and will study further. I felt pretty good for a lot of years leading up to the gallbladder attack, but my health was obviously deteriorating so I totally get your point.

                              marcadav, thanks for that link. I did try searching but for some reason didn't get that result (digital idiot).

                              MikeEnRegalia, no problems with coconut except that I don't like the taste. I solved that by using refined oil (100% mechanically expeller pressed organic). I started using it because of all the raves it gets here, the no-bile digestion thing is a great bonus!

                              I'm still pissed that I didn't find PB before donating my gallbladder but it looks like I'm in good company. Thanks again y'all.

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