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  • #76
    Mostly meat diet here. The only veggies I can stomach are broccoli and spinach, which I rarely buy. I love fruits and berries but none are in season.
    In all of the universe there is only one person with your exact charateristics. Just like there is only one person with everybody else's characteristics. Effectively, your uniqueness makes you pretty average.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Alex Good View Post
      Mostly meat diet here. The only veggies I can stomach are broccoli and spinach, which I rarely buy. I love fruits and berries but none are in season.
      *applause*

      Thank you Alex for bringing the thread back on track.
      “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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      • #78
        Originally posted by DarthFriendly View Post
        Or, y'know what Owly said.
        DarthFriendly: the man who says all the shit I am too polite to say out loud.
        “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Owly View Post
          DarthFriendly: the man who says all the shit I am too polite to say out loud.
          That's a good thing mate. Overly aggressive internet-forum types are less than impressive. Be proud of yourself and remain nice and polite.

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          • #80
            For the last 24 hours, all I've had was beef (cooked in lard or tallow) and carrots (raw, or cooked in the leftover fat in the pan). I might introduce spinach in a few days, but I'm experimenting here.
            "Thanks to the combination of meat, calcium-rich leaf foods, and a vigorous life, the early hunter-gatherers were robust, with strong skeletons, jaws, and teeth." - Harold McGee, On Food And Cooking: The Science and Lore of the Kitchen

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            • #81
              Originally posted by captaineight View Post
              Taubes is making the claim, (quote) "Expending more energy than we consume does not lead to long-term weight loss".

              This is an extremely dubious claim, to say the very least.
              You yourself said that you went on low-calorie diets, lost weight, and then when you went off the diet, you gained the weight back. Shouldn't you have kept the weight off once you started eating at maintenance levels?


              In other news, tonight I was gonna cook myself some kale, but I got lazy so I just microwaved some leftover baked sweet potato. Mmmm, vegetables. I'm surprised at how much I actually like kale, cooked in animal fat with lots and lots of garlic.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by captaineight View Post
                That's a good thing mate. Overly aggressive internet-forum types are less than impressive. Be proud of yourself and remain nice and polite.
                If being called on your bullshit is what passes for "Overly aggressive" in your world.

                You're a passive aggressive twit, you're boohooohooing about how mean someone's been to you after honking your horn about how your badass honesty offends people.

                I vigorously shrug my shoulders in your general direction.

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                • #83
                  Re Fibre - there is value in it. With healthy gut flora, fibre ferments in the small intestine to produce butyrate
                  Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

                  Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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                  • #84
                    I think fibre is similar to other things, such as cardio, that are good in moderate quantities but bad at the high levels encouraged by CW.
                    “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Owly View Post
                      I think fibre is similar to other things, such as cardio, that are good in moderate quantities but bad at the high levels encouraged by CW.
                      I not read this. References?
                      Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

                      Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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                      • #86
                        Stabby, how do you use jicama?

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by peril View Post
                          I not read this. References?
                          Whole Health Source: Butyric Acid: an Ancient Controller of Metabolism, Inflammation and Stress Resistance (he makes the references himself )

                          Butyrate has caused me to re-think my position on fiber-- which was formerly that it's irrelevant at best. I felt that fiber came along with nutrient-dense whole plant foods, but was not beneficial per se. I believed that the associations between fiber intake and a lower risk of a number of diseases were probably due to the fact that wealthier, more educated, healthier people tend to buy more whole grains, fruit and vegetables. In other words, I believed that fiber intake was associated with better health, but did not contribute to it. I now feel, based on further reading about fiber and short-chain fatty acids like butyrate, that the associations represent a true cause-and-effect relationship.

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                          • #88
                            Thanks Imasin, but that doesn't say that too much fibre is bad for you, which is Owly's claim!
                            Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

                            Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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                            • #89
                              some days i eat more veggies than others, today i had kale chips for dinner with celery and cream cheese. . . however, yesterday i only ate meat. besides, i am addicted to bacon wrapped serranos so i could never give up veggies.

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                              • #90
                                Anyone who's ever consumed too much fibre will tell you exactly how it's bad for you!
                                “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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