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  • #31
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    Bump to ask about GRAPE SEED OIL. Is it primal? Why or why not?


    Thanks!

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    • #32
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      Not take the focus away from the above question, but is coconut oil highly inflammatory as indicated here (or is it again a ploy by the soy/corn industry)?


      http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/fats-and-oils/508/2

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      • #33
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        [quote]

        Bump to ask about GRAPE SEED OIL. Is it primal? Why or why not?</blockquote>


        You think Grok ate grape seeds?

        The "Seven Deadly Sins"

        Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . . Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
        Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
        Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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        • #34
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          Where do you buy lard?

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          • #35
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            I&#39;m gonna go with low-heat virgin coconut oil and @maba,

            I think its propaganda...

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            • #36
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              Of course grapeseed oil, or coconut oil is not primal. Human&#39;s DNA was probably well set before discovering coconuts on the way to Asia and the New World. But that doesn&#39;t mean that some modern things are not primal-like, or helping us in a PB lifestyle.


              A few moment&#39;s research will answer your questions: Grapeseed oil is predominantly polyunsaturated fats, which are not PB. It does have a very high smoke point, but then, why are you heating ANY food to over 400 degrees?


              Coconut oil, maba, is the OPPOSITE of an inflammatory oil. Again, it is the polyu&#39;s that are the cause of weak cell walls and the primary component of arterial plaques.


              In my kitchen I&#39;m down to lard, coconut oils (using up the last of some non-virgin), olive oil for salads, and butter. Hmmmm....I need to toss that Wesson. It&#39;s probably rancid by now BECAUSE IT IS MOSTLY POLYU&#39;S!


              TomD, conventional lard is to be had at any non-upscale grocers. Unfortunately, there is a bit of hydrogenation in it so that it is solid at room temps. But there is no alternative unless you have a local one. I&#39;ll put up with that tiny bit of hydrogenation to get the benefits of lard vs. vegetable oil shortenings. The two tone blue Morrell brand is pretty universal, but I find it has a bit of funky scent. The local Winn-Dixie store which has a very high percentage of black customers has a cheap lard....whaddya know, no scent. (Great store for all things Southern and BBQ!)

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              • #37
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                i use ghee or lard. i have coconut oil but never use it

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                • #38
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                  There is quite a bit of information slamming coconut oil...I&#39;ll keep looking, but here is one study that says it&#39;s bad for your heart


                  http://www.healthcastle.com/coconut-...ed-heart.shtml

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                  • #39
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                    FD, w/o even looking, that&#39;s the old lipid hypothesis of heart disease BS. Google Dr. Mary Enig and be ready to spend an evening or more reading her work and research. She is probably the world&#39;s foremost authority on lipids.


                    In brief, individuals and peoples who consume lots of saturated fats, especially coconut oil, are far healthier than those who follow the dictum of polyunsaturated, grain derived oils.

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                    • #40
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                      Bayou,


                      Thanks for the tip. While I plan to read a lot more about lipids, I always wonder about studies like the one listed. It is peer reviewed published research from the Heart Research Institute in Australia, a nonprofit organization.


                      Nonetheless, the stuff on the website surrounding the cited research is pure bunk, but the study makes me wonder on its own...

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                      • #41
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                        One thing you have to be aware of, FD, is that science is not blind. Blinder than faith, but still with an eye out to funding sources and what makes them happy.


                        There is also just plain old bad science. One does not need a degree to see that vegetarian rabbits, if fed a high saturated fat diet will probably have "issues." Yet, this is an experiment that was done over 50 years ago forms one of the (watery) foundations of the lipid theory of hear disease.


                        Take everything you read with a grain of salt. Oops, that&#39;s not PB.

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                        • #42
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                          Coconut oil for the win. By the way...can someone tell me how to use the quote function on here?

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                          • #43
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                            From Wikipedia

                            [quote]Coconut oil is often partially or fully hydrogenated to increase its melting point in warmer temperatures. This increases the amount of saturated fat present in the oil, and may produce trans fats.</blockquote>


                            (use [blockquote] blah blah [/blockquote], but with pointy brackets)


                            If it is hydrogenated, I wouldn&#39;t use it...

                            The "Seven Deadly Sins"

                            Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . . Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
                            Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
                            Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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                            • #44
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                              Melanie, you need to ask about coconut causing heart diseases from Kitavans. They don&#39;t know what heart disease is and their main source of fat is coconuts. They also smoke a lot. So I guess Coconut oil cannot be that bad, unless hydrogenated.


                              http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...h/label/Kitava

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                              • #45
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                                Coconut oil in the markets is unhydrogenated. I&#39;ve never seen any that was. Dang, the stuff is solid below 76 degrees F. I&#39;m sure that the old tropical chocolate bars for the military in WWII were hydogenated, but I can&#39;t think of anything else.


                                Hydrogenation does not cause saturation. The Wikipedia entry is just flat out wrong. Written, no doubt by a "lipid hypothesizer" who play fast and loose with facts, and love rumor.

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