Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Try telling a bunch of bread makers that gluten is bad (awesome)

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Try telling a bunch of bread makers that gluten is bad (awesome)

    Just stumble across this.

    Someone posted a link to this site and got slammed.

    Gluten bad for you - WTF? | The Fresh Loaf

    "Gluten has been around for a long time, and has been consumed by millions. It's not poison. Dont limit your diet, as removing all gluten foods is extremely limiting, due to fear."


    Sometimes I just wish I could punch the internet in the face!

  • #2
    Don't feel bad. A couple of my best friends are wheat farmers. =8O

    Comment


    • #3
      Going Gluten-Free: Forum | KQED Public Media for Northern CA

      Comment


      • #4
        I'm pretty sure I just read research scientists are trying to make gluten-free wheat...... Just more confusion for the clueless public.

        What we all need is HERITAGE wheat:
        Heritage Grain Conservancy

        Comment


        • #5
          Did they call it rice?
          My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
          When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

          Comment


          • #6
            If bakers didn't know about the switch from older wheat to dwarf hybrid wheat, we're in trouble.

            I dunno about gluten free wheat... at least it doesn't have the addictive gliadin unnatural gluten proteins. If all the bread is flat and icky, maybe no one will eat it anyway.
            5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

            Comment


            • #7
              Isn't gluten one of those "trust your body" and YMMV things?

              I've eaten gluten-laden bread for decades. I've baked. I've also gone though long periods without gluten (zero wheat of any kind) not because of paleo or anything like that but because I needed cheap food that stored well and cooked without fancy tools. Rice fit the bill, so I ate lots of rice.

              I have never felt ANY evidence that - TO ME - gluten is either harmful or helpful compared to other protein (or anything else in my diet). I'll accept the argument that fresh vegetables are less energy-dense and nutrient-rich, that starches and sugars are metabolized differently or don't provide long term satiety, that my socioeconomic situation is such that cheap bulk foods are now unwise and unneccessary, and so on, but the idea that gluten is somehow especially bad for me? No, it doesn't jive with my personal experience. I don't have any food alergies. There are foods I have never enjoyed (e.g. peanut butter...I didn't like it when I was 6, and I just don't like it now) but I'm not alergic to those foods. I have friends who do have honest food alergies and every time we eat together I'm reminded of how glad I am not to share that affliction.

              I'm not going to say that gluten is great for celiacs or other gluten-sensitive people, any more than walnuts are great for someone with a walnut alergy, but the fact that YOU are alergic to walnuts, or shrimp, or gluten, or whatever, doesn't mean that I am, or that those foods are bad in any way. If you are of a healthy weight (which MANY bread-eaters are) and in otherwise good health (which, again, is true for MANY bread-eaters), and don't have other issues, then enjoy your bread, gluten and all. If you find you have a problem, make changes. Is that wrong?

              Comment


              • #8
                Yup, I think it is wrong. Gluten can wreak havoc on your health regardless of outwardly noticeable symptoms. Also, with second-degree symptoms that you might never realize can be caused or facilitated by gluten. Gut permeability and all that. You could feel fine and wake up with an autoimmune disease tomorrow. Obviously there's not conclusive studies to cite, but plenty of evidence of same exists.
                The Champagne of Beards

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Him View Post
                  Isn't gluten one of those "trust your body" and YMMV things?

                  I've eaten gluten-laden bread for decades. I've baked. I've also gone though long periods without gluten (zero wheat of any kind) not because of paleo or anything like that but because I needed cheap food that stored well and cooked without fancy tools. Rice fit the bill, so I ate lots of rice.

                  I have never felt ANY evidence that - TO ME - gluten is either harmful or helpful compared to other protein (or anything else in my diet). I'll accept the argument that fresh vegetables are less energy-dense and nutrient-rich, that starches and sugars are metabolized differently or don't provide long term satiety, that my socioeconomic situation is such that cheap bulk foods are now unwise and unneccessary, and so on, but the idea that gluten is somehow especially bad for me? No, it doesn't jive with my personal experience. I don't have any food alergies. There are foods I have never enjoyed (e.g. peanut butter...I didn't like it when I was 6, and I just don't like it now) but I'm not alergic to those foods. I have friends who do have honest food alergies and every time we eat together I'm reminded of how glad I am not to share that affliction.

                  I'm not going to say that gluten is great for celiacs or other gluten-sensitive people, any more than walnuts are great for someone with a walnut alergy, but the fact that YOU are alergic to walnuts, or shrimp, or gluten, or whatever, doesn't mean that I am, or that those foods are bad in any way. If you are of a healthy weight (which MANY bread-eaters are) and in otherwise good health (which, again, is true for MANY bread-eaters), and don't have other issues, then enjoy your bread, gluten and all. If you find you have a problem, make changes. Is that wrong?
                  There's a YouTube video floating around here from a science guy talking all about why gluten and gliatin are bad for everyone. It's an interesting view, but he is kind of bouncy and high on caffeine. Never the less he lays it out quite nicely and easily. Gliatin has a way of getting past the defense mechanism in your gut and making micro-tears all over your insides = not good. Plus it messes with your immune response system. I don't remember all the details off hand, but it was enough to convince me.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Obviously there's not conclusive studies to cite, but plenty of evidence of same exists.
                    Obviously I could be struck by a meteor tonight as I sleep. That's a controllable risk, too. With minor lifestyle changes (moving into a salt mine for example) I could severely reduce the impact of such an impact. Is it worth doing?

                    It's a matter of odds. If the odds of being struck by a meteor were 1:1, then yes by all means let's move underground. 1:100... again, probably a good idea to take some preventive steps. 1:1000? It would be smart. 1:10,000? It's not crazy. 1:100,000? Eh.1:1,000,000? No, the risks involved in taking action are probably higher than the risks you are avoiding. 1:1,000,000,000? Now that would be crazy.

                    So what are the odds of waking up with a gluten-induced autoimmune disease tomorrow? I know a few people with autoimmune diseases so it could happen...but at least two of them tried gluten free and it didn't help so you can't automatically blame gluten anyway.

                    It's like lactose intolerance. You may be lactose intolerant. Avoiding dairy may be very important for you. That doesn't mean dairy is a problem for me.

                    As for micro-tears and the like... that's interesting. I'd find it more compelling if I had experienced any symptoms myself, but I'll accept it as somewhat of a theoretical basis (assuming it isn't pseudoscientific BS like a lot of the anti-salt, anti-fat, anti-meat, anti-whatever-I-don't-like ranting).
                    Last edited by Him; 12-07-2012, 12:54 PM.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Him View Post
                      As for micro-tears and the like... that's interesting. I'd find it more compelling if I had experienced any symptoms myself, but I'll accept it as somewhat of a theoretical basis (assuming it isn't pseudoscientific BS like a lot of the anti-salt, anti-fat, anti-meat, anti-whatever-I-don't-like ranting).
                      In the clip to which I referred he isn't really anti-anything (other than gluten but he's just being instructional). He lays out the biological process by which gliatin gets past your bodies defenses and the bodily response and results. As with anything else of course the viewer can choose to believe it or not. Personally my decision to go primal/paleo had nothing to do with gluten...really didn't know much about it honestly. I now believe it's just a fortunate byproduct of eating this way....no wheat = no gluten products. Whether or not they are "bad" or cause medical issues there appears to be no harm in not eating them either. I eat much more nutritiously now and have lost significant weight and feel better. All wins in my book, but I won't be shoving the lifestyle down anyone's throat if they don't want to hear about it.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by shep68 View Post
                        ... Personally my decision to go primal/paleo had nothing to do with gluten...really didn't know much about it honestly. I now believe it's just a fortunate byproduct of eating this way....no wheat = no gluten products. Whether or not they are "bad" or cause medical issues there appears to be no harm in not eating them either. I eat much more nutritiously now and have lost significant weight and feel better. All wins in my book, but I won't be shoving the lifestyle down anyone's throat if they don't want to hear about it.
                        That's reasonable.

                        I can take or leave gluten myself. I have, and have noticed zero health differences either way. I'm not going to bash someone for choosing to avoid gluten...but by the same token I don't think it's right to bash people for not avoiding gluten either. I think that sort of bashing is exactly the behavior that some vegans practice... they don't eat meat, so they think you are stupid/evil if you do. The world needs less of that, not more.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Him View Post
                          Obviously I could be struck by a meteor tonight as I sleep. That's a controllable risk, too. With minor lifestyle changes (moving into a salt mine for example) I could severely reduce the impact of such an impact. Is it worth doing?
                          Is it worth it for you? Apparently not, or maybe you'd have already done it. What's your point?

                          Originally posted by Him
                          It's a matter of odds. If the odds of being struck by a meteor were 1:1, then yes by all means let's move underground. 1:100... again, probably a good idea to take some preventive steps. 1:1000? It would be smart. 1:10,000? It's not crazy. 1:100,000? Eh.1:1,000,000? No, the risks involved in taking action are probably higher than the risks you are avoiding. 1:1,000,000,000? Now that would be crazy.
                          What are the odds that avoiding gluten will hurt me?

                          Originally posted by HIM
                          So what are the odds of waking up with a gluten-induced autoimmune disease tomorrow?
                          Sounds like less for me than for you.

                          Originally posted by Him
                          I know a few people with autoimmune diseases so it could happen...but at least two of them tried gluten free and it didn't help so you can't automatically blame gluten anyway.
                          You're assuming that because gluten-free didn't cure it that gluten-free couldn't have caused it? I'd argue with that assumption. But you're right, as I said, nothing conclusively could prove that gluten caused it at this point. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if it were eventually discovered that most autoimmune issues are caused by increased gut permeability, which we know gluten causes (everybody. Not just those with Celiac's)

                          Originally posted by Him
                          It's like lactose intolerance. You may be lactose intolerant. Avoiding dairy may be very important for you. That doesn't mean dairy is a problem for me.
                          I'm not actually lactose intolerant, personally. But consuming lactose hasn't been shown to have asymptomatic effects in the gut nearly as conclusively as the consumption of glucose has.

                          Originally posted by Him
                          As for micro-tears and the like... that's interesting. I'd find it more compelling if I had experienced any symptoms myself, but I'll accept it as somewhat of a theoretical basis (assuming it isn't pseudoscientific BS like a lot of the anti-salt, anti-fat, anti-meat, anti-whatever-I-don't-like ranting).
                          So you're not compelled. Most of us are. We come here to share ideas amongst like-minded people. If you have some type of evidence that we're not privy to or unaware of, please provide it. At the moment, most of the people on this forum are convinced by what we've seen that the prudent course is to avoid gluten.
                          The Champagne of Beards

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I dunno about gluten free wheat... at least it doesn't have the addictive gliadin unnatural gluten proteins. If all the bread is flat and icky, maybe no one will eat it anyway.
                            I actually like dense and flat breads more than the white sponges. But I grew up mostly eating dark rye bread, so I am weird.
                            My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                            When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                              Is it worth it for you? Apparently not, or maybe you'd have already done it. What's your point?
                              That it's a matter of odds. If the odds of being struck by a meteor were 1:1, then yes by all means let's move underground. 1:100... again, probably a good idea to take some preventive steps. 1:1000? It would be smart. 1:10,000? It's not crazy. 1:100,000? Eh.1:1,000,000? No, the risks involved in taking action are probably higher than the risks you are avoiding. 1:1,000,000,000? Now that would be crazy.

                              Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                              What are the odds that avoiding gluten will hurt me?
                              I don't know your circumstances well enough to answer that. There are people who do not have sufficient funds to get sufficient calories to do the work they need to do in a day. They could be harmed (insufficient calories). There are other people who enjoy bread products in moderation and are healthy. They could be harmed (taking away something they enjoy for no measurable gain).

                              Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                              Sounds like less for me than for you.
                              Well now that is interesting. You think that my disbelief of the theory you are supporting predisposes me to disease. By what mechanism? Bad mental energy???

                              Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                              You're assuming that because gluten-free didn't cure it that gluten-free couldn't have caused it? I'd argue with that assumption. But you're right, as I said, nothing conclusively could prove that gluten caused it at this point. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if it were eventually discovered that most autoimmune issues are caused by increased gut permeability, which we know gluten causes (everybody. Not just those with Celiac's)
                              You are right, gluten-free could very well have caused it. I don't know. What I am assuming that no particularly strong evidence of public health concerns surrounding gluten exist because whenever there is even a shred of evidence...or anything that can be interpreted as evidence, of public health concerns around a food, e.g. cholesterol and eggs/meat, blood pressure and salt, biological contamination and meat/vegetable/dairy supply, mercury and sea food, nitrates and preserved foods, et cetera ad nausium, it becomes a major political issue and laws get passed/people try to regulate our food supply. I don't see that happening here, therefore there isn't enough evidence to create any potential power for people to grab.

                              Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                              I'm not actually lactose intolerant, personally. But consuming lactose hasn't been shown to have asymptomatic effects in the gut nearly as conclusively as the consumption of glucose has.
                              I didn't think you were lactose intolerant. I was using the rhetorical you.

                              Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                              So you're not compelled. Most of us are. We come here to share ideas amongst like-minded people. If you have some type of evidence that we're not privy to or unaware of, please provide it. At the moment, most of the people on this forum are convinced by what we've seen that the prudent course is to avoid gluten.
                              Actually, this particular thread looked like someone came here to bash people on another forum.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X