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    If one uses milk as part of their diet and only has access to conventional, homogenized, pasteurized milk is it best to still drink whole fat milk or would it be better to drink reduced fat/skim and augment it with a "healthy" fat?

    Reason I ask is because I like to drink milk and have been using Horizon Organic whole milk with DHA (basically have to go black market to get raw milk anyhwere around here so not a steady supply). My concern comes about from whether or not the pasteurization process damages the existing SFAs and MUFAs in any way.

    Since the protein and carb/sugar profiles are identical and the net caloric difference comes stricly from the lower fat content, I'm wondering if going with the reduced or skim versions and adding the "lost" fat back in with coconut milk might be a better idea.
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  • #2
    I can only speak from experience, but I would go with the higher fat milk every time

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    • #3
      Stay away from milk - it has high IGF -1. It's for a calf, not a human...

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      • #4
        If you're desperate for milk, have cheese or full fat Greek yogurt instead.
        --Trish (Bork)
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
          If you're desperate for milk, have cheese or full fat Greek yogurt instead.
          No. That's not the same thing at all, neither in taste nor consistency. It's like saying you should eat raisins when you're hungry for grapes, or pretending beef jerky is the same as a steak dinner.

          Whether you should drink milk or not is a personal decision, but if you decide to do so, I would recommend drinking full fat as is.
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          • #6
            Hey, in all fairness, I did include the word DESPERATE. If you're desperate for steak, and all you have is jerky, you're probably gonna have some jerky.
            --Trish (Bork)
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            • #7
              I don't know much about full fat greek yogurt. What makes it better than milk?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Go-Pre View Post
                I don't know much about full fat greek yogurt. What makes it better than milk?
                Its deliciousness!

                Go hunt down some full fat Fage Total, it's wonderful (make sure it's not 2% or 0%, it will just say Fage TOTAL on the package, and that's it)
                --Trish (Bork)
                TROPICAL TRADITIONS REFERRAL # 7625207
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                • #9
                  Sorry, I meant to ask why is it better for you than milk - as a substitute. Just volume?

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                  • #10
                    IMO, protein & lower carb
                    --Trish (Bork)
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                    • #11
                      I drink conventional milk every day. Just watch the carbs- they add up quick.
                      Drink the whole milk. That skim & 2% stuff tastes like milky water & has just as many carbs.

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                      • #12
                        Go for whole milk, vitamins are in the fat, and whole milk has a larger effect on muscle protein synthesis than a higher volume of skim milk matching the same calories (Even though it has more protein!)

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                        • #13
                          Unless you just MUST have it for whatever exercise you are doing, consider switching it off.

                          I wrote a post the other day about milk, wondering why anyone would still be doing it, and I think the most common reason was post-workout, but the ultra pasteurized (even organic) is still wat down the list.

                          I was a milk addict too, and my doc said to stop it due to insulin resistance. It took about a week to get used to no milk, but health improved quite a bit.

                          If you are doing Primal to get the benefits of low carb/VLC, drinking milk is working against you. If you are doing it for fitness, it's up to you.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
                            Hey, in all fairness, I did include the word DESPERATE. If you're desperate for steak, and all you have is jerky, you're probably gonna have some jerky.
                            Yeah. True. But if given a choice...
                            Norak's Primal Journal:
                            2010-07-23: ~255lbs, ~40.0"
                            2011-11-03: ~230lbs, ~35.5"
                            2011-12-07: ~220lbs, ~34.0"

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                            • #15
                              To OP, I am not 100% on this, but I believe that the "pastuerization is the devil" argument is mostly about the proteins in milk, rather than the fats.

                              It seems to me that if you are getting organic pastuerized milk, you don't have to worry about the fats and go ahead and get full fat. There won't be as many vitamins as grass fed, but whatever, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

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