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  • #16
    My 30 lb weight loss came after adopting Paleo. I had a hunch that it was calories, but all those BMR (how ever accurate those are) calculations showed me burning around 2500 cals a day. I don't want to get sucked into the calories in calories out mindset but I feel even on my 2,000 cal days I should have at least seen a pound or two loss in the last month... as much as I love eating fat, it's frustrating to see much of my "allowance" taken up by olive oil and butter. Maybe I will go back to my Paleo ways for a couple weeks, focus on leaner meats, and see where that takes me.

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    • #17
      How do you feel? Could you have put on a few lbs of muscle? How do your clothes fit? How is your sleep quality? I sometimes find that a major pig out meal or two (meat and veggies with maybe a little starch) of more than I would normally consume, tends to jump start things again. Not sure of the science here. And, yeah, at some point, we all need to increase our workouts/activity, not sure how active you are, sorry if I missed it!

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      • #18
        Paleo tends to be lower in actual calories if you eat to satiety...have you ever looked at Cordains "sample menu" for the nutritional breakdown for a female? I eat a LOT and that would have me skipping a few meals a day..fewer calories because of the lack of added fat...I feel better, and my gallbladder and skin are happier with the fat, and I am more pleasant to be around. But I skip lots of meals because I only eat when I am actually hungry..but when I eat, bring it on!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Sue View Post
          JS290, as a low carber I believe in creating the optimal hormonal environment to encourage FAT loss but caloric deficit is involved in the end.
          How do a calories get converted into body mass (fat and lean)?

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          • #20
            Since doing away with the CW about breakfast, I find that I don't get hungry until aroun 3 or 4pm. The Paleo food list (not so much the food plan) was helpful because I wasn't tempted toward foods like bacon and dairy, which may be leading me astray :/ I LOVE fat, but I find even 2 or 3 tbsp of coconut oil still leaves me hungry. I could easily eat way more than 2,000 calories a day but even my trainer was saying I should keep it to 1,600, which is heartbreaking I'm wondering if I am too low carb, most of my weight loss occurred in the 80-100 gram zone. Just thought ditching the fruits and nuts would speed things up a bit. Also curious about the water weight thing... Paleo stresses low salt, but I started ignoring that when I came across MDA... Thanks for the help!!!

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            • #21
              I'm in the middle of reading water weight thing have to stop to pick up kids from school - you should read it.
              You are quite active so a few pieces of fruit would be okay I think. Also, if you do well at eating 80-100g carbs you should go back to it.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by js290 View Post
                How do a calories get converted into body mass (fat and lean)?
                Tell me your reason why you believe calories don't count at all?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Sue View Post
                  Tell me your reason why you believe calories don't count at all?
                  When does your body actually burn the calories you consume? How did paleo man count calories? I think the burden of proof is on you on why you believe they do.

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                  • #24
                    The water weight thing is very interesting. I noticed that my once a week "cheat" meals seemed to keep me going both mentally and physically. I also bumped up my carbs yesterday and the scale was back to normal this morning. It's interesting that the things I thought would speed up weigh loss may have been holding me back... Being able to snack on things like baby carrots and blueberries probably kept my calories at bay, and even with higher carb content it was hard to break 80 grams-- I have been missing my daily grapefruit! Also haven't been waking up with dairy caused phlegm, probably a symptom that my body just isn't a huge fan of even an ounce of dairy.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by MozartNH99 View Post
                      I've plateaued too. I lost 14 pounds my first three weeks (probably water weight), but I've since gained three of those pounds back. My problem is, I simply ingest more calories than I burn off with activity. I have a desk job, so it's difficult at times. When I get home at 4pm, the last thing I want to do is ten sets of burpees or walk a couple of miles. My job isn't physically exhausting, but boy can it be mentally exhausting! All I eat are eggs, grass-fed beef, fish, and chopped veggies.

                      I just have to bite the bullet and start exercising regularly.
                      Is there any way you can convert your desk to a standing work station? Simply standing instead of sitting makes me feel so much better. I often raise my screen, stick my mouse on a box and pop my stepper in front of my desk so I am active while I am online. If you look around, there are a few different solution people have found for making their work desk a standing one or even incorporating a treadmill. It takes getting used to at first but well worth a try imo
                      Bee
                      Newly primal mama. Taking my family along on the walk to a healthy, strong and happy primal life.
                      Losing fat, building strength, having fun.
                      My journal is here (please ignore my excessive use of exclamation points and smilies, I just can't help myself! )

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by js290 View Post
                        When does your body actually burn the calories you consume? How did paleo man count calories? I think the burden of proof is on you on why you believe they do.
                        Whatever!

                        Didn't you just post in a thread that probably good idea to limit saturated fat if FAT loss is your goal?
                        "Most of us have plenty of stored saturated fats. No need to ingest extra, particularly during the transition phase. My guess is if someone is trying to lean out, limiting saturated fats may be useful. Let the body metabolize its own saturated fat stores."
                        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread26784-2.html

                        Rather than count calories easier to portion control.
                        Last edited by Sue; 03-28-2011, 03:43 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Sue View Post
                          Whatever!
                          Exactly Sue! Here is why I believe that calories count. If I eat too many, I gain fat. It's that simple. It doesn't matter where they come from, fat, carbs or protein. Yes, lower carb makes it easier and more satisfying to eat less, but you still have to eat less. Yes, I know, there are some people out there that have hormonal issues and metabolism issues(which normally are related to hormones). I believe they are not the average person, but that's my opinion. I foolishly used to follow the, "Eat More, you are starving. It will boost your metabolism.", only to gain even more fat.

                          For Mozart that posted above, I used to work a desk job too. If you sit down all day long, then you have to dramatically decrease your caloric intake. You burn very little sitting all day and then going home and sitting some more. Either you eat less or become more active, or do both and really see the fat come off.

                          Oh, and how did Paleo man do it? He was very likely in a constant state of near starvation. Who knew when the next meal would come? Maybe tomorrow, maybe 3-4 days, maybe sometimes a few weeks for a real, satisfying catch. That was true intermittent fasting that none of us can really understand.
                          Last edited by john_e_turner_ii; 03-28-2011, 03:44 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Thanks John. I believe there are a lot of people with hormonal and metabolism issues and low carb is the best for them. Some can lose FAT (make sure I say fat and not weight in case someone thinks I'm talking about losing lean tissue) just eating low carb while not being concerned with calories others need to keep an eye on their calories as well.

                            Yeh, can you imagine paleo man counting calories!!
                            Last edited by Sue; 03-28-2011, 03:55 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Leanne - It sounds like you are generally on the right track. If you're feeling energetic and your clothes are fitting better, then what does it matter if the scale wiggles up or down a little in the short term? You know this way of eating is best for you in the long run, right?

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                              • #30
                                I have been a bit lenient with the fat lately. I noticed this plateau started creeping up when I purchased pastured butter and coconut oil. Maybe I just need to give my body a chance to burn stored fat? I have been averaging 60% of cals from fat which seems to be typical for a PBer. Maybe this will be a maintenance percentage but I definitely lost more with the leaner choices and was able to get enough grams of protein in before over doing it on calories.
                                @Diane—yes, clothes are fitting better and I am feeling better overall! Definitely the most important things, just wasn’t sure if a plateau was a symptom of something else. My thought process was “Why must my measurements be so darn stubborn when I am feeding my body what it needs?” Just trying to make sure I really am feeding it what it needs, or what it wants

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