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  • #16
    While I said I don't use any soap, shampoo, or deodorant anymore I do smell a different body odor from myself. Sometimes even after showering. But even if I smell it my wife says I smell great. I think it's like hearing your own voice on tape. You don't think it is you even though it is. I smell different now but by nose it isn't used to it.

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    • #17
      I am happy to report that after 6 months of bad BO I am back to normal smelling now!! I stopped grains 6 months ago and can only think that it was detox. WOW 6 months worth. I was not in ketosis nor eating "a lot" more meat than normal so I really believe it was detox. So I guess I wonder why I didn't have it all the while I was eating grains(all my life) I guess your body just goes into survival mode similar to the phenomenon of bad reactions after re starting a food. But once allowed to function normally it goes about its business and detoxes the crap. Just one more reason for me not to EVER eat grains again

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      • #18
        Maybe this?

        What Is Ammonia?

        The chemical make-up of ammonia is NH3. This means that there is one Nitrogen atom bound to three Hydrogen atoms. Ammonia can be a weak acid or a weak base, depending on what type of chemical it is suspended in. Ammonia has a strong, pungent odor that is easily recognizable in cleaning products, cat urine, and, for some people, sweat!

        The key to ammonia in urine and sweat is the nitrogen. The only macronutrient in your body that contains nitrogen is amino acids, the building blocks of protein. In fact, many bodybuilders are always seeking a "positive nitrogen balance" meaning that less nitrogen leaves their body than enters their body. Since nitrogen is in every amino acid, and amino acids are the building blocks of muscle, someone in positive nitrogen balance is more than likely gaining muscle mass.

        Your body uses amino acids for energy every day. There is no way to avoid this. Your body constantly goes into catabolic (tissue breakdown) and anabolic (tissue building) phases. When you accumulate mass (lean or fat), your anabolic phases exceed your catabolic phases, but you still experience both phases. When your body uses an amino acid for energy, it must convert the amino acid to a useable form of energy.

        It does this by stripping the nitrogen atom off of the molecule. The skeleton molecule that is left behind is then further converted into glucose and used as fuel. In order to get rid of the excess nitrogen, your body typically processes the nitrogen in your kidneys and forms urea, CO(NH2)2 - basically, a carbon dioxide molecule bound to nitrogen and hydrogen. Urea is then excreted in the urine. If your kidneys cannot handle the load of nitrogen, then the nitrogen will be excreted as ammonia in your sweat.

        One other factor to consider is water intake. The methods used for getting rid of excess ammonia, such as urine and sweat, all require water as a transport mechanism. If you are not getting adequate fluid, then the solution (ammonia + water) will not be diluted. Therefore, water plays a definite role. If you are not drinking enough fluids to have at least one or two clear urinations every day, you should drink more.

        Based on this explanation, it is clear that your sweat will smell like ammonia only if an excessive amount of amino acids are being used for energy, or you are not receiving adequate water. This helps us find a solution to the problem.

        Doesn't That Mean My Protein Intake Is Inadequate?

        Many people mistakenly believe that ammonia sweat means that their protein intake is not high enough. The body will only utilize protein for energy when it does not have a sufficient supply of fats and carbohydrates. Muscles can use glucose and fat for energy, but your brain requires glucose. Since there is no direct metabolic pathway from fat to glucose, your body will use amino acids instead. If your protein intake is high, there is a chance that the amino acids that supply energy will come from ingested food and not your hard-earned muscle tissue - but why take that chance?

        Let's look at an oil lamp. If you fill that lamp with Citronella oil, it will have a distinct odor when you light it. To eliminate that odor, do you add more Citronella? No! That's just fanning the flames. You'd use a different type of oil instead. The same goes for the ammonia smell - this is just the smell of amino acids being "burned" in your body. You don't solve that by adding more amino acids. Instead, you need to supply the fuel that your body prefers - the fuel that can be easily broken down to glucose in order to supply energy to your muscles and your brain - carbohydrates!

        The key to avoiding that ammonia smell is to ingest sufficient carbohydrates. If you eat an ample amount of carbohydrate with every meal, then you should have plenty to fuel your exercise activity. Even people who work out on an empty stomach should have some glucose in their bloodstream upon rising - unless they subscribe to the myth that cutting out carbohydrates before bed helps you lose fat. If you find that the ammonia smell persists (even when you consume carbohydrate with every meal), try having a low glycemic carbohydrate before you workout.

        A little oatmeal, a small apple, or even a piece of sprouted grain bread can provide the fuel that your body needs. Remember, your body requires fuel to burn fat! So don't think that providing some carbs before cardio is going to eliminate the fat burning process. In fact, most of my clients who consume a light meal before working out report that their energy levels go through the roof, and they have an incredible workout. If adding 80 calories in the form of a slice of sprouted grain bread kicks your energy levels into high gear and helps you burn 100 more calories during exercise (while sparing your muscles from being used as fuel), there is no reason to worry about dropping fat!

        Learning Your Body

        Your body can only process a certain amount of food at each meal. Therefore, it may not be possible to avoid that ammonia smell during prolonged activities. The smell is common, for example, amongst marathon runners, who are engaging in continuous cardiovascular exercise for hours at a time. In that situation, it is advisable to consume "sports drinks" or other sources of energy during the activity to fuel your body (and especially your brain) and prevent your amino acids from being burned for energy.

        The next time you smell ammonia, don't worry. It doesn't mean that your muscle tissue being broken down, and it doesn't mean that you're doomed to stink for the rest of eternity. Consume a nutritious meal immediately after exercising - a balance of lean protein and whole, unprocessed carbohydrates - and then increase your carbohydrate intake throughout the day, or add a small "snack" prior to your next workout. An apple a day can help keep the ammonia smell away!
        "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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        • #19
          You could try shaving you armpits pal, if that's where you're bogging from. Apparently sorts out the BO problems easily.
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          • #20
            baking soda mixed with a little coconut oil and rubbed into skin. Works quite well.
            Started Whole30 December 31, 2011
            Integrated Leptin Reset/Jack Kruse plan Jan 13, 2012
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            • #21
              Or, and stick with me here, you could use deodorant. I know, that's crazy talk.
              "The problem with quoting someone on the Internet is, you never know if it's legit" - Abraham Lincoln

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Fernaldo View Post
                Or, and stick with me here, you could use deodorant. I know, that's crazy talk.
                LMAO...... I was trying to figure out which chapter in the book Mark says not to use soap and deodorant.... I might have missed it, but I don't think this is a Grok renactment group...

                All kidding aside, I have noticed that my sense of smell has gotten much better since going Primal, could just be that you are noticing your own smell more. I would ask a trusted friend or two is you stink.
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                • #23
                  Well I am a woman and already shave my pits. I use deoderant! And it was not just my sense of smell getting better. I live in Texas and after walking my dog, riding my bike and going to the gym - the deoderant didn't stand a chance. At any rate I believe it was detox and as I said in my post - ITS GONE I did the dog and the gym and the bike today and voila no bad smell - sweaty smell yes but not rank like it has been.

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                  • #24
                    I am NOT a fan of any deoderant under the pits ! Alot of people have terrible issues with lumph nodes under the arms, and blocking or hindering the flow of perspiration from this area can't be good for the body.
                    I have asked my friends and family if I smell, and it hasn't been a problem as yet. Althou DH has commented on my breath a couple of times. I am sure its keto breath that he is smelling ! yay .... Anyways thats just my opinion
                    "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

                    ...small steps....

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by NZ primal Gwamma View Post
                      I am NOT a fan of any deoderant under the pits ! Alot of people have terrible issues with lumph nodes under the arms, and blocking or hindering the flow of perspiration from this area can't be good for the body.
                      I have asked my friends and family if I smell, and it hasn't been a problem as yet. Althou DH has commented on my breath a couple of times. I am sure its keto breath that he is smelling ! yay .... Anyways thats just my opinion
                      I wasn't referring to anti-perspirant. Deodorant doesn't hinder or block sweat.
                      "The problem with quoting someone on the Internet is, you never know if it's legit" - Abraham Lincoln

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Fernaldo View Post
                        I wasn't referring to anti-perspirant. Deodorant doesn't hinder or block sweat.
                        No it possibly doesn't hinder or block sweat, however the chemicals used in some deoderants cant be good for that or any area of the body. And when the pores are open from heat/sweating, said chemicals could possibly enter the body this way.
                        Anyway I choose not to use deodorant or anti-perspirant, and I do wonder if there is a correlation between some lymph node issues and the use of underarm products ????
                        "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

                        ...small steps....

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                        • #27
                          Body odor smells due to this that water level of our body down to wards and we don't drink much to fill up the water level of our body.Body odor also come from our breath that in our metabolism its occur to diagnose the food and in this action gases make which are contains the smelly toxins and the came out from our breath and sweat.Its also because cause we didn't not clean our body so well and not use beauty soap or shampoo.

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                          • #28
                            A guy I know dated a runway model for a while, apparently her and all the other models would take spirulina to keep BO at bay so they wouldn't stink up the samples they had to wear *shrug*

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                            • #29
                              I'm smelly after getting out of the shower. No idea why, and it isn't because of what I eat, Paleo or otherwise... As I've gotten older, I've gotten more smelly.

                              I'm not a fan of deo. The herbal ones don't work, and the others contain aluminium. The ONLY thing that works for me, and it really DOES work, is Sodium Bicarb. I rub a bit under my arms after a shower (so pits still wet) and I don't smell at all, all day. I've heard people say that it can 'rub' a bit, because it's granular, but I've not experienced that.

                              I am so happy to have finally found something that works.
                              SW: 68 kg. * CW: 61.5 kg. * GW: 60 kg or less...
                              “Your work is to discover your work and then with all your heart to give yourself to it.” ~ Buddha

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                              • #30
                                I tried the baking soda and it tore up the skin in my pits for weeks. Maybe the coconut oil / baking soda mix might work better, but I was painfully raw and sore. And it didn't hurt at all putting it on.

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