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    Ok this is a newb question, but I have always retained more bodyfat than many of my friends, even though I lead a fairly active lifestyle. I do not drink milk and when I do eat dairy it is just the odd bit of light cheese or yoghurt. I am a newly converted PB'er and have been cuttin carbs and processed foods from my diet. However, I know many people who eat lots and lots of pasta, bread, rice and do much less physical activity than myself, yet they have much more defined muscles... Is it possible that they aren't as affected by carbs and is it possible I am much more affected? If it is true that some people are more affected than others AND I am one of those unfortunate, does that mean I am going to have to be extremely strict with my diet to drop my bodyfat from 14.5% to 11%????
    Any insight would be great!

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    No way to know yet. I would say if you want to do PB with dairy then try it out. Whether your strict or not your bound to lose bf. If you want to get even lower cut out dairy and do some high intensity training. The only the you have to be strict with is grains, legumes, sugar, processed crap and just keepin your carbs down.

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    • #3
      Yes of course some people are less insulin-resistant than others. It depends upon many factors and some people can luck out and stay healthier for longer because they have managed to acquire some necessary components of a diet and avoid other ones.

      Like here, magnesium is super important for tolerating carbohydrate and most people are fairly deficient, but what if someone stumbles upon eating habits that yield more magnesium? Then they'll have lucked out. http://care.diabetesjournals.org/con...-0994.abstract

      You could go to the store, get some magnesium citrate (one very good form. Don't get oxide), take it before bed and the next day wake up more insulin-sensitive. The next day after that you will be even better and if you keep taking a fair bit of magnesium you will soon be nutritionally sufficient and your fasting glucose will be lower. Easy as pie.

      And Mark's blog and book have tons of easy info like that. People generally reap what they sow around here. You do your reading and make a big effort and you get a big reward.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Stabby View Post
        Yes of course some people are less insulin-resistant than others. It depends upon many factors and some people can luck out and stay healthier for longer because they have managed to acquire some necessary components of a diet and avoid other ones.

        Like here, magnesium is super important for tolerating carbohydrate and most people are fairly deficient, but what if someone stumbles upon eating habits that yield more magnesium? Then they'll have lucked out. Magnesium Intake in Relation to Systemic Inflammation, Insulin Resistance, and the Incidence of Diabetes

        You could go to the store, get some magnesium citrate (one very good form. Don't get oxide), take it before bed and the next day wake up more insulin-sensitive. The next day after that you will be even better and if you keep taking a fair bit of magnesium you will soon be nutritionally sufficient and your fasting glucose will be lower. Easy as pie.

        And Mark's blog and book have tons of easy info like that. People generally reap what they sow around here. You do your reading and make a big effort and you get a big reward.
        What about magnesium phosphate? This is what I take in powder form combined with vitamin c and zinc.

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        • #5
          I truly don't know. I can't find any studies that test it. Do you feel a subjective calming sensation when you take it? If not then probably not. If you try citrate after taking phosphate and you notice a distinct effect of citrate, then you can be sure that phosphate doesn't absorb well.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by robbie1512 View Post
            Ok this is a newb question, but I have always retained more bodyfat than many of my friends, even though I lead a fairly active lifestyle. I do not drink milk and when I do eat dairy it is just the odd bit of light cheese or yoghurt. I am a newly converted PB'er and have been cuttin carbs and processed foods from my diet. However, I know many people who eat lots and lots of pasta, bread, rice and do much less physical activity than myself, yet they have much more defined muscles... Is it possible that they aren't as affected by carbs and is it possible I am much more affected? If it is true that some people are more affected than others AND I am one of those unfortunate, does that mean I am going to have to be extremely strict with my diet to drop my bodyfat from 14.5% to 11%????
            Any insight would be great!
            I'd say don't judge it on weight alone. I was big on the carbs until I found PB. I'd get through massive amounts of bread, pasta, rice and oats. Even on this high carb diet when I wasn't exercising I didn't gain. My weight's always been 120-125lbs with low body fat %. No Matter how many carbs I had. This doesn't mean to say I could handle them. Quite the opposite - I felt rubbish most of the time. Low energy. Constant hunger. Digestive trouble, etc, etc. I eventually started paying attention to the signs. Something was wrong. That's how I found this place.

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            • #7
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              • #8
                The short answer is YES. If you are, you adapt, just like you would if you had any other issue to deal with, like wearing glasses. I say this as a person who spent years trying to eat "normally" only to accept that normal for X is not normal for Me. Figuring all this out can take a while. Do yourself a huge favor and read Primal Blueprint, and if you have a scientific bent, read the bible on this subject by Gary Taubes, Good Calories, Bad Calories.
                This time, like all times, is a very good one, if we but know what to do with it. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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                Lao Tsu, founder of Taoism

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Stabby View Post
                  Yes of course some people are less insulin-resistant than others. It depends upon many factors and some people can luck out and stay healthier for longer because they have managed to acquire some necessary components of a diet and avoid other ones.

                  Like here, magnesium is super important for tolerating carbohydrate and most people are fairly deficient, but what if someone stumbles upon eating habits that yield more magnesium? Then they'll have lucked out. Magnesium Intake in Relation to Systemic Inflammation, Insulin Resistance, and the Incidence of Diabetes

                  You could go to the store, get some magnesium citrate (one very good form. Don't get oxide), take it before bed and the next day wake up more insulin-sensitive. The next day after that you will be even better and if you keep taking a fair bit of magnesium you will soon be nutritionally sufficient and your fasting glucose will be lower. Easy as pie.

                  And Mark's blog and book have tons of easy info like that. People generally reap what they sow around here. You do your reading and make a big effort and you get a big reward.
                  Well put.

                  There is insulin resistance on one side of the spectrum, and insulin sensitivity on the other. Everyone is somewhere in between. I'm very insulin resistant, so I get the most benefit from Primal/low carb.

                  There is a lot of debate over Taubes books, like the new one WWGF, and he's writing more for the insulin resistant side, which is not a small number of people.

                  If you already know you are insulin resistant, stick with Primal, you will be glad.

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                  • #10
                    Stabby~
                    Thanks for the info on magnesium! I've started taking it recently for sleep (about 6 weeks now) and I've noticed that I have been able to eat more carbs and still drop the body fat--hurrah!
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                    • #11
                      Huzzah!

                      My issue with Taubes is that he appears to just be interested in medicating insulin-resistance. Could that help a lot of people on a large scale? Yes. However it is not all right to go around insulin-resistant as can be and just not eat carbohydrates. Primal Blueprint is more about reversing the damage, and I agree that a low carb approach works best if done right.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Stabby View Post
                        Yes of course some people are less insulin-resistant than others.
                        Hey Stabby,

                        This is a great post. Question for you after some context please:

                        I've spent two weeks experimenting with ketosis (one week zero carb, starting with a 20hr fast - tons of exercise), and then the next week ingesting circa 20grams carbs a day - max. Enough exercise to make me want to puke at times; feel light headed and want to pass out.

                        I've got the ketosis sticks, which I have used to test every 3 hours. Here's some results:

                        a) Took 4 days ZC (including fast) to get into traces of ketosis.
                        b) Heaviest I got into ketosis was close to "medium" - 40mg/dl)
                        c) 2nd week, had some coffee cream (day was under 8gm carb) - 3hrs later test - zero ketosis.
                        d) Its been trace ketosis since then.

                        Concerns:

                        i) Calves are now twitching by themselves for about 5% of the day, got a "charley horse" recently. (unusual)
                        ii) Felt like passing out and puking yesterday after 40mins intense exercise - very rare.

                        Current Condition:

                        a) Exercise 5 times a week
                        b) Athlete fitness (I can do 2 bootcamps 100% effort back to back and a kettleball class directly after and then be exhausted)
                        c) BP 110/68
                        d) BFat circa 9-11%? (goal is 6-8%)
                        e) Ingesting lotsss of bacon fat (also used in my pemmican production) and meat. 2 cups of "baby greens" spinach type mix a day recently (had cravings)
                        f) First week: ZC - Second week: under 20g/carbs/day

                        Question:

                        I am surprised by how easy I come out of ketosis despite the intensity of exercise. Am I "insulin sensitive" and will taking magnesium citrate fix that? Whats wrong with magnesium oxide?

                        Many thanks! G

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                        • #13
                          Magnesium oxide sucks. It dosn't absorb past the intestinal barrier very well. Magnesium helps everything.

                          Things to check

                          1. Micronutrients. You may be deficient in stuff like potassium (probably), vitamin C, copper, calcium, magnesium, K2 and others. These are all vital bone nutrients and you may be deficient. Also vitamin d is important, I don't know if you are getting enough but if not consider it. Consider using a diet tracker if you don't already.
                          2. Omega 3/6 balance. Poor balance of omega 3 and 6 fats increases inflammation. You are eating a lot of bacon fat which has a lot of omega 6 in it, so perhaps go a bit easier on the bacon fat and make sure to get omega 3s from something like salmon, or a very good quality fish oil. I favor beef fat, coconut, macadamia, cream, and butter over bacon fat. Maybe use it for cooking eggs and limit it to 2 tbs per day.

                          For ketosis, medium-chain triglycerides from coconut will be converted to ketone bodies a lot easier than animal fat. Consider adding coconut products like coconut milk, creamed coconut and coconut oil.

                          In truth, I don't advocate such a low vegetable intake like that for more than a couple of weeks. Maybe give it another week with improved nutrition and then increase it to about 50g of carbs. It is kind of hard to get enough potassium and vitamin c without more vegetables. Sweet potatoes are a good way to get some. Come to think of it, 50g of carbs from vegetables wouldn't be 50g in your cells because the carbs often get consumed by gut bacteria. You should be fine with more vegetables for now.
                          Last edited by Stabby; 03-26-2011, 07:24 PM.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Stabby View Post
                            Huzzah!

                            My issue with Taubes is that he appears to just be interested in medicating insulin-resistance. Could that help a lot of people on a large scale? Yes. However it is not all right to go around insulin-resistant as can be and just not eat carbohydrates. Primal Blueprint is more about reversing the damage, and I agree that a low carb approach works best if done right.
                            Just searched my Kindle editions of GCBC and WWGF, and I did not find Taubes advocating for drug for IR; rather reporting it's use. Taubes' consistent message is that carbs raise insulin, insulin stores intake as fat, and that some of us have insulin resistance that is extremely challenging.
                            This time, like all times, is a very good one, if we but know what to do with it. Ralph Waldo Emerson

                            Any given day you are surrounded by 10,000 idiots.
                            Lao Tsu, founder of Taoism

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                            • #15
                              Ah yeah I should have been more clear. I mean that he uses a low carb approach to treat the symptoms of metabolic disorder, but doesn't address many of the problems in the least.

                              The first two sections of GCBC were glorious, though. No taking that away from him.
                              Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

                              Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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