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  • #16
    re:

    If you look into in, fruit and vegetables actually contain protein, obviously not nearly as much as a slab of beef, but they still contain trace/small amounts. Things like nuts/dairy etc are a mixture of all 3 macronutrients. Technically if we couldn't digest certain macronutrients with others,
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    • #17
      The psudoscience in this threat amazes me. It's like looking on a bodybuilding forum and seeing guys telling other guys to eat every 2 hours to keep metabolism up or other nonsense. The study clearly shows that those who drank milk with their blueberries didn't receive the antioxidant benefits. This isn't debetable with arguments such as "well food combining isn't paleo..." or "fruits also contain protein".

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      • #18
        Originally posted by beachrat View Post
        Fine. Antioxidants is all you mentioned in the OP.
        um really? Did you read my post? It was the only example but then I wrote:

        "And someone suggests that maybe other issues with antioxidants from fruit and veg being neutralized by proteins. Not at all surprising (and I suspect most fruit would have been munched while picking randomly during the day, not eaten with cooked meat anyway.)
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        If we’re not supposed to eat animals, how come they’re made out of meat? Tom Snyder

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        • #19
          Originally posted by kurite View Post
          I was a fruitarian for some time and I can confirm that food combining is important on that type of a diet. To this day if I eat a piece of fruit and then chow down on some steak or any meat for that matter, my stomach will hurt a lot.
          I've found that my digestion has improved immensely since eating Primal, and I don't need to worry about food combining. I used to belch after eating a raw bell pepper (even on an empty stomach), now I have it in my salad with lots of olive oil, cucumber, and meat (red, white) and I have no problems whatsoever. I think that food combining for better digestion may be helpful for people with impaired digestion, but it's unnecessary for people with good digestion. Vegetarian diets have been linked to zinc deficiency by the way, and zinc is a key component of many digestive enzymes. Food for thought.

          With regards to plant-based anti-oxidants, I trust Dr Harris' assertion that there is no published, reliable data to say that they are strictly beneficial; see here and here. He does say later on (here and here) that there is evidence to believe that in limited doses they may provide a beneficial effect, because our bodies produce a greater healing response than is actually needed to compensate for the compound's effects. What constitutes the "right" amount? We don't know, and it's probably a very individual thing.

          I think the PB has got it right on the most important things: don't have enzyme inhibitors, lectins, or phytates (nevermind combine them with food), don't have too much sugar (nevermind combine them with food), and in general don't have non-foods (nevermind combine them with food ). For the most part foods work better when they are combined: tryptophan is activated with some carbohydrate, vitamins A, D, E, and K need fat to be properly absorbed, etc.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by AndreaReina View Post

            With regards to plant-based anti-oxidants, I trust Dr Harris' assertion that there is no published, reliable data to say that they are strictly beneficial; see here and here. He does say later on (here and here) that there is evidence to believe that in limited doses they may provide a beneficial effect, because our bodies produce a greater healing response than is actually needed to compensate for the compound's effects. What constitutes the "right" amount? We don't know, and it's probably a very individual thing.

            I think the PB has got it right on the most important things: don't have enzyme inhibitors, lectins, or phytates (nevermind combine them with food),
            Harris has some really useful insights, thanks for that.

            Good point about the 'just don't have them' basis of PB - that removes a lot of issues right there!

            Fat is pretty much my go-to solution for anything I'm not sure about - if for some reason I'm going to have some grain, I have a load of butter or coconut with it. The carbs are still there, but the fat seems to help my gut a lot.
            If we’re not supposed to eat animals, how come they’re made out of meat? Tom Snyder

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            • #21
              I think its important-

              Trophology, the science of correct food combining, isn't some fad. It dates back to the Toaists and I'm sure many other ancient philosophies of health and well being. Its all to do with basic 'acid alkaline balance' or 'pH'. When we combine certain foods we can alter the environment of the digestive system so that the digestive process is hindered or is no longer optimal. This causes putrification and fermentation of foods in the gut, puts toxins into the bloodstream, gas bloating... well..general distress to the digestive process. I guess any one who is on this site, is striving for optimal health, so if its Paleo or not, I would say its beneficial to know. Depending on how sensitive your digestion and how poor your food choices may have been in the past will depend on how crucial it may be for you to engage these ideas.
              The book "the Toa of Health Sex and Longevity" by Daniel Reid has a great chapter which explains how this works.

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              • #22
                @Gobble The "Problem" with that kind of food combining is that it takes up to 8 hours or more to fully digest a big meal with fat and protein. If one were to follow food combining, that would mean that you pretty much wouldn't be able to eat vegetables or fruit the rest of the day after consuming animal products. This wouldn't make sense in an evolutionary perspective, and nobody in the community seems to have any issues.

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