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    Ok, sorry for bothering you nice people again, but really I need some help. This is just getting out of hand.

    I have the Primal Leap. I did the calculations. I weight roughly 125lb, I am 5'2" and 24 years old. I did the math and it came out I need about 100g of fat, 80gs of protien, and 50g of carbs. With a total of 1442cals a day.

    I have been trying to do this. The farest I have gotten was four days not counting cal or carbs, and two days with keeping track. The first day is ok, however, the second day I do ok till night when I feel like I am basically going to die without sugar/carbs. Am I just being a baby about this? Is this how everyone feels? I mean people say you go through withdraw but I mean like I feel dizzy, lathargic, angry, my legs feel like led, and I have no energy and horrible horrible cravings. Its to the point that I actually dream about eating cake, pie, cookies etc. I am also having trouble sleeping at night. And this is the second day. Not the second week.

    So then I went wth my boyfriend and bought some dark chocolate to try and get the cravings undercontrol. This totally lead to horrible binging or over 1,000 more cal and about 150gs of carbs. Mostly from 2 sweet potatoes, 2 bananas, 1/2 cup raspberries, protien powerder, and chocolate.

    What should I do? If I continue to eat like this, I am going to feel even more like shit and gain a lot of weight.
    Height: 5'2"
    Starting weight: 180lbs
    Current weight 130lbs

  • #2
    Carb flu sucks, but you have to get through it. The more you give in to it the longer it will take. For some it may last a couple of days and for others a couple of months. Yes it sucks, but once your through it it is done. There is no other advice than to just suck it up until it passes. You wouldn't tell a heroin addicted to give up on quiting because the withdrawl sucks, would you? Well, you're a sugar addict. No time like the present, so you might as well get to it.
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    • #3
      If you're craving sugar, you don't get it under control by eating sugar--as I guess you've found out.

      I have no real advice for you because I never went through such a strong 'withdrawal' experience. I've been eating low carb for years, and my body seems to love it.

      However, I have a great sweet tooth, and I've found that I do best with NOTHING sweet at all, not even artificial sweeteners.

      It may take about 2 weeks for you to adjust, but try to keep in mind that mental attitude is important. The more you dwell on eating carbs, even in your imagination, the more you'll want them. If this doesn't work for you, then perhaps this isn't the right WOE for you.

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      • #4
        I was nauseous at times during my low carb flu! Your body hasn't yet learned to burn fat as fuel and it's like "Where the HELL is my sugar!?" When that was going on, I would eat a small handful of blueberries just so I wouldn't develop a raging headache and keel over. It helped.

        L-glutamine (1000-2000 mgs, 3x/day between meals) really helps the sugar cravings and gives your brain an alternate fuel source. It can really take the edge off. Carnitine (maybe 500 mg 3x/day) helps your body to burn fatty acids for fuel, so it speeds up the adaption process.
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        • #5
          What you describe are normal symptoms of the low-carb flu, and are the result of not having access to glucose, which your body has been used to using for energy. Fat requires other pathways to be used, which in some people have atrophied and therefore must be built back up; while this is happening you aren't going to feel your best. As far as getting past it, there's cutting down on carbs slowly, and doing it all at once. Personally I am an "all at once" guy (and that's the recommendation I see most on the boards), but I imagine that personal variation is important. Also, not everyone functions very well in ketosis, try a higher carb count to see if it works better for you. Just remember to cut down on your fat proportionately so that you're not suddenly eating a whole lot more calories.

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          • #6
            For me, I just cut all sources of added sugar cold turkey. For 30 days, no fruits even and no dark chocolate. I haven't experienced overwhelming cravings except once (when I saw orange juice, I wanted it really bad. Once in a while if I think of a carby food, I do crave it, but I just ignore it. I think, for me, if I have sugar it just makes me crave more of it.

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            • #7
              Eat as much fat and protein as you want until you get through carb flu. Screw calories and "proper amount" Eat as much as you want as often as you want.

              Also, play around with the quality and timing of your carbs. Some do better with even carbs through the day, some do better with very few carbs in the morning meal and more at dinner. Go for the low GI bulky carbs. i.e. veggies, not fruit or chocolate
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              • #8
                Gosh, I feel like a drug addict. I wish someone would lock me in a room for like a week and just give me healthy good.

                I am worried about how long the carb flu is going to last. I am a teacher and I don't want to kill my students.

                I am kind of a all or nothing person. I guess I can just try again. Maybe be a little more prepared this time around. So tomorrow I guess I will see how I feel. Attempt not to give in to the sugar. I just hate the feeling of failing.
                Height: 5'2"
                Starting weight: 180lbs
                Current weight 130lbs

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                • #9
                  Are you sure you need to be this low carb? Maybe for now, you could try closer to 100 g of carbs and see how you feel, the drop down more slowly if you aren't meeting your goals.
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                  • #10
                    I could not do cold turkey - I was afraid that I may not have the resolve to stick to it. So I took the opposite approach, cutting out one food group out at a time, starting with stuff I had least interest in (like rice and bread) and cutting out much-beloved chocolate last. Took a couple of months, so I did not see as drastic results right away, but got away without much suffering. Plus it gave me some "trial and error" ramp-up time to re-learn how to shop and cook differently from what I have been so used to.
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                    • #11
                      i eat primal, however i do have a cup of coffee everyday. i also have an occasional (twice a week at most) glass of wine and a small piece of dark chocolate. however, i did not do that until the carb flu ended, which was one hellacious day!! i feel great, sometimes i dream of eating cereal but when i wake up i always feel like something meaty! your body will adjust. i agree with jammies, perhaps raise your carbs somewhat. i eat between 45-85 carbs a day and i am seeing results. (i am 5'8, 130 lbs) . . . body parts are trimming up nicely!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nix View Post
                        Gosh, I feel like a drug addict. I wish someone would lock me in a room for like a week and just give me healthy good.

                        I am worried about how long the carb flu is going to last. I am a teacher and I don't want to kill my students.

                        I am kind of a all or nothing person. I guess I can just try again. Maybe be a little more prepared this time around. So tomorrow I guess I will see how I feel. Attempt not to give in to the sugar. I just hate the feeling of failing.
                        Sugar is a substance that is addictive, so your you are not far off. It's just we don't call sugar a drug, well, not officially. It wasn't fun for me as well, but you have to figure out a way to manage it until it passes. Increasing fat intake helps and you must avoid sugar period. The weeks will pass.
                        "You can have it all, but how much do you want it?"

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                        • #13
                          You do have to tough out the carb cravings, but there are a few things that can help with other aspects of "Carb Flu".

                          For dehydration and electrolyte imbalance which causes alot of the exhaustion try drinking 1-2 cups of bouillon per day. Also supplement with extra Potassium and Magnesium. I take Pot 99mg 2x/day and Mag 250mg 2x/day in addition to my multivitamin. I have had to withdraw from carbs almost monthly due to a binging problem around my period. These steps have allowed me to do it practically carb flu free. (I am working on strategies to solve this binge problem, but that is another thread.)
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Nix View Post
                            Gosh, I feel like a drug addict. I wish someone would lock me in a room for like a week and just give me healthy good.

                            I am worried about how long the carb flu is going to last. I am a teacher and I don't want to kill my students.

                            I am kind of a all or nothing person. I guess I can just try again. Maybe be a little more prepared this time around. So tomorrow I guess I will see how I feel. Attempt not to give in to the sugar. I just hate the feeling of failing.
                            It usually doesn't seem to last long - it varies according to the person obviously. Think of this as a wake-up call: you are obviously addicted to sugar just as you'd be addicted to cigarettes or anything else. Feeling like shite is not a reason to stop - it's not as hard as being obese or getting diabetes is it. As far as "stopping and starting" - don't think of it like that. Just think of yourself as making the right choices meal by meal, shopping trip by shopping trip. Try to start thinking of yourself as a natural eater of whole foods in general, gluten free, and not as an adherent to a diet book. If you make some wrong choices, ok well, make some right choices next time. It'll come.
                            If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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                            • #15
                              The first time I did it I felt like absolute shite for 10 days. Irritable and grouchy, tired, depressed, and praying God to make muffins a Primal food. But then all of a sudden, on Day 11 I felt totally fine and didn't care if I ever ate another muffin or cookie. I did eventually fall off the wagon, but getting back on has been MUCH easier this time around. Stick it out and you'll be glad you did! And every time you start getting a crazy craving, remind yourself that it is the addiction talking. That usually creeps me out sufficiently to stay away. (I hate the idea of being controlled by an addiction!)

                              Stats as of 3/1/12:
                              5'10" female, 38 y/o
                              Currently 140 lbs., approx 25% body fat
                              WEIGHT GOAL: lose a bit more body fat and tighten up the rear end...basically, I want to look great naked. Everywhere else is looking great, but my ass/hips/thighs are being a bit stubborn. TMI?
                              DAILY MACRO TARGETS: Cal: 1,857. Protein: 100g (400cal). Carb: 75g (300cal). Fat: 128g (1156cal).
                              EXERCISE GOAL: incorporate 2-3 strength training sessions and 1 sprint session per week.

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