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  • Anyone Else Have Other Restrictions?

    Alright, my doc insists that I go to a FODMAPS diet to help with healing my digestive system. I told her about PB, while she is skeptic, she thinks it's better than continuing along my path of destruction.

    So, here is the deal along with all of the PB guidelines, I have additional restrictions I must follow...
    None of the following fruits or veggies:
    -Jerusalem Artichokes (sigh, these grow in my backyard)
    -Sweet pepers
    -Brussels Sprouts
    -Coconut milk/cream
    -Sweet Cherries
    Very limited quantities of, sugars and their alcohols (nothing artificial):
    -Oligosaccharides (Fructans, Galactans)
    -Disaccharides (Lactose)
    -Monosaccharides (Fructose)
    -Polyols (Sorbitol,Xylitol,mannitol, isomalt, erithrytol, arabitol, erythritol, glycol, glycerol, lactitol, ribitol)

    I guess my question is this:
    How many of you have other allergies or restrictions in your diet? And how do you get variety with this many restrictions? Does eating seem boring to anyone? Maybe that is the point.

  • #2
    Believe it or not, I'm allergic to raw fruits and vegatables lol.

    It's an enzyme that breaks down when heated, according to my allergist...

    Lots of steamed veggies with butter for this guy

    To answer your question, I find that I just keep eating the stuff I really like (beef, chicken, pork, eggs, broccoli, sugar snap peas, yams, spinach, bacon) and I don't really get bored. I do eat dairy and sometimes utilize protein shakes, unlike some others though.

    Good luck!


    • #3
      I would die if I couldn't eat avacado...
      If your food is fast, maybe you should fast.


      • #4
        Dear lord that's quite a list. Basically most fructose sources, so let's see.... Brussels sprouts and cabbage are on the list, but the other crucifers (cauliflower, broccoli, rabe, etc) aren't. Can you eat those?

        I'd be very sad if I couldn't eat onion, but most days I avoid most of the other vegetables (and don't eat much fruit). My staple plant foods are greens, which usually get sauteed in coconut oil or butter. Aside from that, I'll have some meat or fish to hang the meal on, but I actually have rather simple tastes despite having an epicurean flair .

        Concentrate on getting good quality examples of the things you can eat. If daily steak and steamed/sauteed veg gets boring for you experiment with different spices, pan sauces (wine, cream, stock, butter), curries, stir-fries, frittatas, stews, braises, roasts.... What am I missing?


        • #5
          Originally posted by workinhard View Post
          Believe it or not, I'm allergic to raw fruits and vegatables lol.

          It's an enzyme that breaks down when heated, according to my allergist...
          lol, that's raw veganism out the window then.

          And that is a mighty list. I'm not sure if i'm allergic to anything. Don't think so, not even milk which i can tolerate in great quantity although i don't drink it anymore. Perhaps there are things i am secretley allergic to, what are the symptoms for you if you eat those listed foods?


          • #6
            I would make the most comprehensive list you can think of of the foods you CAN eat and start to explore recipes.
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            • #7
              Well, right now I am under religion pre lent restrictions (no meat, eggs/cheese allowed), and after next week I will be under more severe restriction (no meat, dairy, eggs, and wine) till after Holy Pascha.
              Last edited by Zed; 03-01-2011, 03:55 PM.


              • #8
                At least steak is not on the list?

                But yeah, what runnergal said. Make a list of the *can-eats* and go from there. A lot of recipes are going to frustrate you simply because so many are going to call for garlic and/or onion.

                What I don't see on your list is limes or hot peppers or tomatoes or cumin. Which leaves you wide open to many southwest style recipes. Many of these will call for both onion and garlic, but with the above ingredients you can definitely make a totally yum showing of most recipes of that style. You just can't add guacamole. (sad face)

                Looks like you can still do sour cream if you aren't cutting out dairy for PB.

                You should probably ask your doc if hot peppers are okay, because I see sweet peppers on your list and there's not a huge amount of difference between the composition of each pepper beyond the heat. After all, a Habanero is just a bell pepper with a napoleon complex and the attitude to back it up.

                Egg recipes (quiche, frittatas, etc) will probably also offer a fair range of recipes that you can do.

                And most seafood really only wants lemon juice, salt, and pepper (and perhaps a healthy wad of butter) and pairs well with greens (spinach sauteed in butter is a favorite with salmon).

                To answer the question you actually asked, however, my diet is actually very limited at the moment - pretty much just beef, seafood, and a sparing amount of vegetable/fungal matter that amounts to little more than garnish most meals. And eggs. Lots of eggs. And of course butter and coconut oil. And I get by pretty much by choosing the best I can afford of whatever I'm eating and taking the time to do it well.


                • #9
                  No dairy at all until I get my stomach under control.
                  Broccoli is on the OK list, cauliflower is not on either list I will have to check it.
                  Cayanne pepper is on the ok list, so I am assuming the other hot ones are ok - I will have to check that one too.

                  I am highly allergic to Shellfish, other seafood is ok...mussels make me nervous because I stopped eating them with the shellfish allergy several years ago.

                  Otherwise, the OK list I have is very short and many foods aren't on it. I will have to double check with the doc on a lot of different foods to compile a list that doesn't make me even more insane.

                  Unless I have an anaphylactic reaction, I usually just have severe digestive upset and seasonal allergy-type responses if I am allergic to something. Doc is suspecting leaky gut and/or fructose malabsorption along with a dairy intolerance. I think gluten really screwed my guts up for a long time.

                  I love avocado, I love coconut, I am about to tell my doc to take a hike but I should at least see if it helps for a little while and then slowly add stuff back.


                  • #10
                    I am casein intolerant I believe so only eat ghee, no other dairy. I'm also celiac and allergic to corn but that's not an issue, except I am extra careful nothing is cross contaminated. I can't eat fruit or drink alcohol as it sets me up for sugar cravings and feeling groggy. Coffee makes me wheeze. Dark choc keeps me awake at night.

                    Yep I have a very sensitive system and like lots of others here am also screwed up by gluten.

                    Good luck. I am also working on gut healing.
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                    • #11
                      I can't eat fructose, most of those sugars you list, gluten, starches, soy and lactose.

                      Fructose malabsorption, for me, is the result of gluten intolerance. FM, from my experience and things I've read, is the result of eating too much of things you don't absorb very well and/or antibiotic use. It creates an imbalance of bacteria, as they feed on things that end up not being absorbed, which then further aggravates the problem. Gram negative bacteria love fructose. Multiple food intolerances is how I ended up (mostly) primal. I can eat most of the veggies on the restricted list, although they have to be well cooked. And I have some weird reactions. Almond (And other nut) skins send me into an inflammatory nightmare. Blanched almonds, no problem. Pretty much all starches will do me in, some worse than others. I don't know that I would ever be able to reintroduce them but I'm not so bothered by it anymore since adjusting to going without them. Fruit also isn't essential so I eat what I can, mostly berries.

                      What I did that helps. First step, eat dirt. Yummmm! OK, not big bowls of it but you need the bacteria naturally found on fresh, unwashed veggies. Can you grow an herb garden or get fresh herbs from a farmers market? This is your number one source. Unfortunately I'm currently in an apartment but will be moving into a house in a few months and starting an herb garden as well as landscaping with them. With my previous garden I grew as much variety as I could, stuff I'd never even heard of, as well as a variety of salad greens. I'd pick a bunch, just rinse off the grit and make a big salad. Variety, variety, variety. The more you limit your diet the more limited it becomes, although I'm sticking with paleo and not worried about the fruit and will never be able to eat gluten, nor likely any grains, again.

                      I also was drinking raw sheep's milk when I lived overseas and could get it from a farmer who made raw milk cheese. This is controversial so I wouldn't suggest it to everyone. The probiotics in it helped knock back some of the overgrowth. I still occasionally eat raw milk cheese here. I wouldn't bother with yoghurt as the bacteria in it is too limited. I've tried coconut kefir and didn't notice much difference.

                      Other foods that can help but should be eaten in moderation at first are tomatoes (for the pectin), and any of the veggies on your forbidden list. The reason being is that they feed gut bacteria. The fodmap diet basically eliminates a lot of bacterial food, but you need a variety of bacteria to have a healthy immune system. It will be uncomfortable in the beginning, go slow and wear loose fitting pants. If it's too much back off of them a bit. I also found that charcoal capsules can help with the bloating and drinking fennel/anise seed tea can help with digestive upset and water retention if you have it. It can take a while so you have to be patient. You may find that in the future small amounts of fructose cause fewer problems but overdoing it may cause set backs, so you have to be careful.

                      Oh yeah, and healthy fats. Lard, butter, coconut oil are all good.
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                      • #12
                        Lots of good advice here, thanks.
                        I don't think I will ever be able to touch gluten again either, even minute amounts of cross contamination put me out for days, it's really a bummer. Now that I think about it, everything seemed to get worse after a round of penicillin a while It's strange how all that stuff effects the body, even sitting though physiology and microbiology nothing ever clicked for me. After going through all of this though, I am thinking I want to take another physiology course , I may understand it better this time around.


                        • #13
                          Some raw salad greens make me violently ill, usually within an hour or two of consumption. I can eat iceburg lettuce and I have had mixed luck with Romaine lettuce and spinach. The others I'm afraid to even try.

                          My wife cooks several types of Asian greens in oil and garlic and those don't bother me.


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Corwin1968 View Post
                            Some raw salad greens make me violently ill, usually within an hour or two of consumption. I can eat iceburg lettuce and I have had mixed luck with Romaine lettuce and spinach. The others I'm afraid to even try.

                            My wife cooks several types of Asian greens in oil and garlic and those don't bother me.
                            I forgot to mention greens. I can eat most lettuce but iceberg is high in fructose (or one of the other sugars, I always forget). Fortunately, iceberg lettuce is kinda gross so I don't want to eat it anyhow. I find that if I remove the ribs from greens, or at least most of it, I'm OK. That's where most of the sugar is.
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                            • #15
                              More advice, as FM is incredibly frustrating. Here is a list of a lot of offending foods. It varies with everyone so you just have to experiment, carefully, and also keep in mind that you may be able to add some things back in later. And of course avoid the gluten ingredients that they say are safe.
                              Nutrition Guide for Fructose Malabsorption |

                              Also, be careful to read ingredients. It's a good idea to copy the list at the bottom and print it on a small sheet of paper and take it to the supermarket with you. I try to avoid processed food as much as possible but sometimes making EVERYTHING from scratch gets to be too much. It's amazing how many things, that shouldn't, have additives. Inulin is a biggie.

                              Also, I make a bread that's very similar to this one: Gluten Free Simple Bread Recipe | Elana's Pantry Skip the agave nectar. I add the same amount of coconut nectar, which doesn't bother me in small amounts. And feel free to add chopped walnuts (Although I soak and dehydrate first) and other nuts you can handle. Make sure you use blanched almond meal because even if you aren't as horribly reactive to the skins as I am they can cause problems with FM. I also throw in chia seeds and shelled pumpkin seeds. Eat in moderation, as it does tend to be high in omega 6, but if you've eliminated vegetable oils you should be OK with reasonable amounts. And I was buying nut meals from Honeyville but just bought from NutsOnline | Premium Bulk & Wholesale Nuts, Dried Fruits & Gift Baskets because the prices are better.
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