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  • Oatmeal VS Quinoa Flakes

    If one had to choose between the two, which would be the least harmful? And why? Curious because when I used to be a heavy oatmeal eater I weighed less, stomach was flatter/less boated etc...I kept everything Primal besides the oatmeal but now I have cut it out and am not as lean as in the past. I heard Quinoa flakes can be made to be like oatmeal and have a higher carb content much like oatmeal as well. I thought maybe it would be a better choice, but heard something and saponins in Quinoa?
    && It's not just about living well, it's about dying well.

  • #2
    no clue. i'm grain free.

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    • #3
      Thank you for that insightful response. I am grain free at the moment as well, but have been reading about quinoa and how it is not a grain but a seed, and was asking this community whether adding it in would be detrimental. Some of you seem so self-righteous and arrogant it's a wonder you're even here. I was just curious about a subject, that doesn't mean i'm not grain free, so you can back off with you're little comment that was absolutely unhelpful. This forum is here to be helpful and to provide discussions, if you aren't going to do that then go somewhere else.
      && It's not just about living well, it's about dying well.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by m e g a n foxy View Post
        Thank you for that insightful response. I am grain free at the moment as well, but have been reading about quinoa and how it is not a grain but a seed, and was asking this community whether adding it in would be detrimental. Some of you seem so self-righteous and arrogant it's a wonder you're even here. I was just curious about a subject, that doesn't mean i'm not grain free, so you can back off with you're little comment that was absolutely unhelpful. This forum is here to be helpful and to provide discussions, if you aren't going to do that then go somewhere else.
        You know, I wrote out a response to this, and then reconsidered your response to Zoebird, which was pretty rude. The quinoa question has already been addressed by Mark. Look it up.

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        • #5
          Quinoa contains anti-nutrient saponins and must be rinsed before eating, which is not very attractive to me. Plant anti-nutrients are there for a reason. But eating it in small amounts a few times a month along with fat won't destroy your health, but quinoa is fairly high in carbs, and I am not sure how it affects blood sugar.

          Oats are quite cross-contaminated with wheat, and oats raise blood sugar a little too high in most people.

          I am grain free, and the only grain I'd ever recommend is small portions of white rice once in a while.

          However, to answer your question, if I absolutely had to pick between the two, I'd pick quinoa.

          Perhaps the reason why you stayed leaner eating oats was the fiber, but fiber isn't so great for the GI system in the long run.
          Last edited by Suzan; 02-26-2011, 05:40 PM.

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          • #6
            Thank you Suzan, I appreciate the response. Maybe the fiber is the issue. Frances, I saw zoebird's post as rude, an assumption that I am not grain free. So take it as you will.
            && It's not just about living well, it's about dying well.

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            • #7
              Megan as an experiment you could eat oats for a week or so and see how you feel. If no issues introduce permanently back into your diet. I'm not sure how cutting oatmeal out of your diet has made you less leaner then when you were a heavy oatmeal eater. Could be a number of reasons you are less leaner now.
              Last edited by Sue; 02-26-2011, 05:36 PM.

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              • #8
                ok, foremost, i was not being rude or arrogant, but your response was.

                to me, the answer to your question -- as you phrased it -- it seems self evident.

                If quinoa is a grain, and oatmeal is a grain, why would "one" choose to eat either one at all -- particularly if they are following the PB and believe the evidence that being grain free is important?

                thus, the question is irrelevant. asking the question is akin to trolling "hey, which pastry flour is better? french number 5 or regular whole wheat?" well, yeah, i could answer the baking differences of using 5 vs WW, but honestly, what is the point? I'm grain free -- so it doesn't matter to me.

                If quinoa is a seed, and you are convinced of that, then it would obviously be the better choice over oatmeal, since oatmeal is a grain. would it not have been better to posit the question as "I have been researching quinoa, and there is some evidence that it is a seed, not a grain. If it is a seed, do you think it fits within the PB? and if so, how much? and are quinoa flakes similar to oatmeal? do they cook and taste the same? anyone have any information or experience?"

                but you didn't ask that. and then you got ticky when the question that you *didn't ask* didn't get answered.

                bad form, megan foxy, bad form.

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                • #9
                  oh, and the whole "i've kept everything primal except the oatmeal" essentially screams "i'm really not that primal. i still eat grains!" because, oatmeal is a grain.

                  obviously, you said you've "given it up" and now you're not as awesome looking as before. perhaps the reason is not related to oatmeal, or quinoa flakes.

                  and oh, if i were to choose between Steel Cut Irish Oats soaked overnight, properly rinsed and boiled, then served with butter, cream, blue berries, and walnuts over "quinoa flakes" which sounds like extruded cardboard garbage, then i would choose oatmeal.

                  but since i'm grain free, i choose neither.
                  Last edited by zoebird; 02-26-2011, 06:28 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Assuming something is better than something else because the one thing is botanically classified as a seed and the other as a grain is a bit of an assumption. I don't think zoebirds comment was rude, it was just pointless. If you don't have anything serious to contribute, don't post...
                    Megan, there are no compounds in oats that would make it superior to meat/veggies. It might be the case that you were eating less calories when you were eating oats which had the effect (new food is tastier? You're eating a tub of yoghurt instead? Dunno).
                    But yeah, how long have you been off the oats? I would consider it unlikely that such a change in breakfast would cause visible fat gain in less than a few weeks. It could also be attributed to changes in activity/exercise or increased stress causing fat accumulation.

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                    • #11
                      Not eating grains is definitely not causing you to gain fat, unless maybe you replaced oats with a huge fruit smoothie? Or did you replace grains w/ a milk product? And maybe you are lactose intolerant? According to Robb Wolf, quinoa is just as bad gluten. If you go grain, I would go rice, mmm, rice pudding for breakfast. However, I would stick w/ eggs and meat!

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                      • #12
                        I didn't realize that quinoa is a seed - that's actually a very interesting thing to know. I'll have to go look up Mark's info about quinoa. All nuts and seeds have anti-nutrients that can be eliminated or mostly eliminated by soaking and/or sprouting. The Weston A. Price Foundation offers great information about how to do this, and I definitely notice the difference when I eat nuts and seeds that have been soaked vs. those that haven't. So if quinoa is a seed then, even if you have to rinse or soak it first, it seems to me that it would fit in with PB.

                        Stats as of 3/1/12:
                        5'10" female, 38 y/o
                        Currently 140 lbs., approx 25% body fat
                        WEIGHT GOAL: lose a bit more body fat and tighten up the rear end...basically, I want to look great naked. Everywhere else is looking great, but my ass/hips/thighs are being a bit stubborn. TMI?
                        DAILY MACRO TARGETS: Cal: 1,857. Protein: 100g (400cal). Carb: 75g (300cal). Fat: 128g (1156cal).
                        EXERCISE GOAL: incorporate 2-3 strength training sessions and 1 sprint session per week.

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                        • #13
                          Cut and paste from Tim Ferris' blog, but directly from Robb Wolf's book:

                          "Hey Robb, I appreciate your concern, but my dietician told me Oats are gluten-free, so no need to worry about my morning bowl of oatmeal? Yep, I love oatmeal too, but it contains similar proteins to gluten. Cereal grains tend to have proteins that are high in the amino acid proline. These prolamines (proline rich proteins) are tough to digest, and thus remain intact despite the best efforts of the digestive process to break them down. The result is gut irritation, increased systemic inflammation, and the potential for autoimmune disease.

                          Corn has a similar prolamine called zein. Now you can heed or disregard this information as you please, but grains are a significant problem for most people. Upon removal of these grains, you will notice that you feel better. With reintroduction of grains…well, you feel worse. Keep in mind this inflammation is also a factor in losing weight and looking good, so don’t dismiss this if your primary goal is a tight tush. What I’m asking you to do is take 30 days and eat more fruits and veggies instead of the grains. See how you do. Not so hard, right? And just to head you off at the pass, let’s tackle two other grain related topics: “Whole grains” and Quinoa.

                          When we factor in their anti-nutrient properties, and potential to wreck havoc on our GI tract, grains are not a sound decision for health or longevity. For the purposes of our discussion, consider dairy and legumes in the same category.

                          [Note from Tim: Many of you know that I consume some legumes and beans. Normal cooking will reduce anti-nutrients in both, but, when possible, I also soak them overnight beforehand in water with a tablespoon of baking soda. Soaking for 24 hours at room temperature has been shown to remove 66% of the trypsin (protease) inhibitor activity in mung bean, 93% in lentil (this is what I eat most often), 59% in chickpea, and 100% in broad bean. Remember also to distinguish "in vitro" (e.g. red blood cells in a petri dish) vs. "in vivo" (e.g. after normal digestion) studies.]

                          Quinoa pops up frequently and the refrain goes like this, “Robb! Have you tried this stuff Quinoa (the pronunciation varies depending on how big a hippy you are). It’s NOT a grain! It’s fine, right?”

                          Well, you’ve likely heard the expression, “If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…” Quinoa is botanically not a grain, but because it has evolved in a similar biological niche, Quinoa has similar properties to grains, including chemical defense systems that irritate the gut. In the case of Quinoa, it contains soap-like molecules called saponins. Unlike gluten, which attaches to a carrier molecule in the intestines, saponins simply punch holes in the membranes of the microvilli cells. Yes, that’s bad. Saponins are so irritating to the immune system that they are used in vaccine research to help the body mount a powerful immune response. The bottom line is if you think grains or grain-like items like Quinoa are healthy or benign, you are not considering the full picture."

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                          • #14
                            Here's Mark's post about quinoa: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/alter...grains-quinoa/

                            Sounds like it can be a good occasional alternative but he doesn't recommend it as a daily thing.

                            Megan, you might consider doing some investigating about why oatmeal is having the effect it's having on you. Could it be that you do better with a slightly higher carb count? Maybe having a sweet potato in the morning would do the same thing? If you're getting leaner because the oatmeal is lowering your nutrient absorption, that might be good to know. Likewise, if the fiber is helping you but you want to stay grain-free, you might try upping your veg intake. Just some thoughts. In the end, though, each of us has to do what feels right for our own body. Personally, I have no room to judge you if you decide to keep eating oatmeal.

                            Stats as of 3/1/12:
                            5'10" female, 38 y/o
                            Currently 140 lbs., approx 25% body fat
                            WEIGHT GOAL: lose a bit more body fat and tighten up the rear end...basically, I want to look great naked. Everywhere else is looking great, but my ass/hips/thighs are being a bit stubborn. TMI?
                            DAILY MACRO TARGETS: Cal: 1,857. Protein: 100g (400cal). Carb: 75g (300cal). Fat: 128g (1156cal).
                            EXERCISE GOAL: incorporate 2-3 strength training sessions and 1 sprint session per week.

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                            • #15
                              First of all, the quinoa flakes I got were disgusting (I did a gluten free thing a few years ago). So, oatmeal for flavor.

                              Second of all, when I ate a bowl of (whole) quinoa vs. a bowl of oatmeal, I got serious blood sugar crashes. I'm talking spacey head, shaky, seriously bad feelings. So another tick in oatmeal's favor.

                              Thirdly, quinoa may be high in protein, but it's EXTREMELY high in carbs- hence my sugar crash reaction.

                              From whfoods.com
                              1 cup of quinoa: 22 g protein, 117 carbs
                              1 cup oats: 6 g protein, 25 carbs

                              But the correct answer is secret answer C: they're both grains, and therefore, not food, and eat some eggs for breakfast instead.


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