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    Ok, so my brain has been trained through years of reading health and fitness material that dropping below 1200 cals per day is bad and sends your body into starvation mode. True or False?
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    It can depending on what kind of stuff you’re eating. 1200 calories of chips = starvation, 1200 calories of meat and veggies = not starvation, but possibly eating too little depending on many factors such as age, height, weight, body composition goals, activity level, etc.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
      It can depending on what kind of stuff you’re eating. 1200 calories of chips = starvation, 1200 calories of meat and veggies = not starvation, but possibly eating too little depending on many factors such as age, height, weight, body composition goals, activity level, etc.
      no no no chips! lol.I mean primal foods. Sometimes I have a hard time getting in as many cals as "they" say I`m supposed to. For the past week I`ve hovered around 1200....I do P90X 6 days a week, I`m 46 (as of yesterday),5'7",144 lbs, 19% BF.....
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      • #4
        i've heard that eating less than 1200 calories in a day puts you in starvation mode too. i don't buy it. i've also heard that it takes three full days without food to go into starvation mode, and lower your metabolism. not sure about that one either.
        i'm not entirely sure what starvation mode even is. ketosis?
        if you have bodyfat, your body will use that for fuel. i say starvation mode for everybody.
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        • #5
          ok, I may sound unhelpful and I don't mean to be, but as you are a relative newbie I think tracking and worrying about calories is going to get in your way. Unless this is a weight loss diet in your mind - and I don't buy into that but hey, its "your Primal" as much as mine - in which case at your weight right now, to achieve weight loss you might need to watch calories/

          Seems just WRONG to me, so i am going to shut up now.

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          • #6
            Starvation mode happens to people that aren’t nourishing their bodies. You can eat and never get nourishment (the chip diet, for instance)

            I’m not qualified to tell you how much to eat, if you feel good with your 1200 cals and doing p90x then more power to you. Personally I’d eat a little more but I’m not familiar enough with p90x to tell you how much to eat.

            I reckon if people are getting their meat, fat and veggies then they’re good. Listen to your body though, if you’re dragging ass and mentally foggy, you need to eat more, if when you get up you’re dizzy, you need to eat more.

            I think once you’re done with p90x, you can still do those workouts, just skip a day instead so your body has time to rest and adapt.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by primalrob View Post
              i've heard that eating less than 1200 calories in a day puts you in starvation mode too. i don't buy it. i've also heard that it takes three full days without food to go into starvation mode, and lower your metabolism. not sure about that one either.
              i'm not entirely sure what starvation mode even is. ketosis?
              if you have bodyfat, your body will use that for fuel. i say starvation mode for everybody.
              It`s explained as your metabolism slowing down and that your body will store all the calories for fat for future "starvation" episodes...
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              • #8
                Originally posted by denise View Post
                ok, I may sound unhelpful and I don't mean to be, but as you are a relative newbie I think tracking and worrying about calories is going to get in your way. Unless this is a weight loss diet in your mind - and I don't buy into that but hey, its "your Primal" as much as mine - in which case at your weight right now, to achieve weight loss you might need to watch calories/

                Seems just WRONG to me, so i am going to shut up now.
                Lol denise..you don`t need to shut up now. No, it`s not a weight loss diet for me either; it`s all about getting as healthy as I can and for me it helps me to track my foods so I can see what I`m taking in and if I need to tweak anything. If I don`t track I don`t know my ratios of carbs to protein to fat. It`s not only about tracking the cals;it`s the whole big picture.
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                • #9
                  Gary Taubes writes about this in Why We Get Fat. Highly recommend it.

                  This book has made the "eat until you aren't hungry any more" refrain finally make some sense to me. I still think some of us may need conscious calorie restriction in the short run to lose fat (especially if we aren't willing to drop sugar/fruit/nuts), but I do get why folks who do the "Whole 30" are able to eat as much as they want and still drop fat. It's all about the carbs!
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                  • #10
                    Check out all the articles on "IF". Starvation mode is not necessarily a bad thing, just don't stay there too long.
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                    • #11
                      Many years ago I got a copy of “Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle” (or maybe it was the other way around…) anyway in it the author provided an analogy to explain metabolism and starvation mode, or how to stay out of it. From memory it was something like this: “imagine your metabolism is a small blind man living inside your stomach. He’s got no idea when you’re going to feed him, if you take too long he freaks out and holds on for dear life (starvation mode) if you feed him often, he’ll know to expect food soon, so he won’t freak out (and you won’t go into starvation mode” he then said eating 5-6 meals a day was the best way to have a “fast” metabolism and to turn your body into a “furnace”

                      Did that for a few months and got fat. He had a list of foods which I don’t think I cared enough to follow, but it wasn’t anywhere near primal either. Standard bodybuilding type of meals, steam everything, etc.

                      At the time I read it though, it made perfect sense to me and I didn’t think to look for counter-arguments. I kick myself for being so foolish as to believe such an overly simplistic look at the human body, but I didn’t know better at the time.

                      Most respected people in the fasting community agree: starvation mode doesn’t even begin after well over 72 hours of fasting. That’s three consecutive days. You have nothing to worry about even fasting up to 48 hours.

                      I remember also David Blaine did a stunt in which he lived in a clear cube suspended over NYC for 44 days. He purposely fattened himself up because he was going to fast for those 44 days. He came out skinny, obviously, but he didn’t die and he didn’t look totally emaciated either. I’m not suggesting for anybody to fast in such an extreme fashion, but it shows that it can be done (albeit by a professional stunt man)

                      Lastly, speaking from an evolution standpoint it makes no sense for the body to go into starvation mode so quickly, which is why I think 3 days makes the most sense. We would have been wiped out as a species if after 24 hours without food our bodies started to cannibalize themselves. I don’t love drawing parallels across different species but if you look at lions and other big cats they customarily go without food for days but they counter by eating MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF FOOD when they do get the chance to eat. If the hunt doesn’t yield enough for the pride then they hunt again soon, if they take down a large animal they’ll gorge and take a few days off hunting and eating until they get hungry again. Nature has equipped them with instinct, and they hunt and eat based on hunger cues only, we should strive to do the same.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dragonfly View Post
                        Gary Taubes writes about this in Why We Get Fat. Highly recommend it.

                        This book has made the "eat until you aren't hungry any more" refrain finally make some sense to me. I still think some of us may need conscious calorie restriction in the short run to lose fat (especially if we aren't willing to drop sugar/fruit/nuts), but I do get why folks who do the "Whole 30" are able to eat as much as they want and still drop fat. It's all about the carbs!
                        That book is now on my "to check out" list...wonder if it`s available for the kindle?? Thanks Dragonfly...and btw-dragonflies mean something special and spiritual to me....all about living for the present moment and transformation....love them!
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                        • #13
                          I don't count calories, grams of this that or the other and I am losing. I've lost 15 lbs in my first 5 weeks and that is with a few "cheats" here and there. For me, its been about dropping the refined carbs and grains that is helping me lose. And before anyone asks, yes I need to lose fat.
                          Georgette

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by pattyd View Post
                            That book is now on my "to check out" list...wonder if it`s available for the kindle?? Thanks Dragonfly...and btw-dragonflies mean something special and spiritual to me....all about living for the present moment and transformation....love them!
                            Yes, it's available on Kindle.
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                            • #15
                              This is my first month doing Primal (I'm on week three) so I can only talk about my diet before this when it comes to calories....but if I went above 1200 calories a day, I gained weight. If you read and follow CW, they'd say at my body size I could eat 2500 calories at least and do no exercise and not gain weight...complete bullshit. All that kind of misinformation does is set fat people up for being judged like people thinking jeezus what does that person eat to be that size.

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