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    I encouraged a friend to go on a Paleo diet and after only 6 days she's in the emergency room with what the dr's are calling kidney failure. From what I understand, a high protein diet can only exacerbate a pre-existing kidney condition, not cause one...correct? And that's besides the point because a Paleo diet isn't necessarily a high protein diet, it's a high fat, moderate protein, low carb diet.

    Regardless, the dr. says that this is the result of too much fat and protein. Apparently she's not just dehydrated.

    Thoughts, advice as I'm texting her back and forth from the emergency room...?
    I began this Primal journey on December 30th, 2009 and in that time I've lost over 125 LBS.

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    Hm, i've never heard that a high protein diet could do that to a pre-existing kidney condition. I'm curious to see what other people say to this..

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    • #3
      I'm sorry - this must be super stressful. I have been searching the literature and really cannot find anything indicating a high protein diet can cause renal failure. She likely had an underlying condition that declared itself because of increased protein intake. It is also possible that it is a coincident - people never want to believe that. I have a friend with chronic kidney disease. One week she was fine, the next, she was quite sick. Her kidneys had been shutting down slowly, but she never noticed.

      I hope your friend is okay. Sorry I can't offer anything concrete.
      Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

      http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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      • #4
        It sounds to me like it's just a bad kidney infection (which has been confirmed) which gave the MD an opportunity to offer unsolicited advice about something completely unrelated.
        I began this Primal journey on December 30th, 2009 and in that time I've lost over 125 LBS.

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        • #5
          Now she tells me "This is the 4th time I've had issues with my kidneys in the past 6 months." Is it bad that my most significant sigh of relief came when I realized this wasn't my fault rather than when she told me she was OK and they were sending her home?

          It's astounding how many chronic issues she has. It really disappoints me that this will probably knock her off the Paleo boat for good what with her mom and dad hearing the BS the MD said about protein and fat.

          Now that I think about it I'm just pissed off.
          I began this Primal journey on December 30th, 2009 and in that time I've lost over 125 LBS.

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          • #6
            Oy vey - you were just put through the ringer for nothing. There is nothing wrong with being relieved that you didn't cause your friend harm....sounds very normal

            Does she have a new sexual partner in the last six months? Sometimes a new partner can cause recurrent renal infections, especially if the female doesn't urinate right after sex.
            Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

            http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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            • #7
              TMI Alert:

              I suppose I'm her new sexual partner but this just happened last weekend and we only got to 3rd base (no condom in sight...doh'!) so I'm not sure that counts!
              I began this Primal journey on December 30th, 2009 and in that time I've lost over 125 LBS.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jokaman70 View Post
                TMI Alert:

                I suppose I'm her new sexual partner but this just happened last weekend and we only got to 3rd base (no condom in sight...doh'!) so I'm not sure that counts!
                That's what I get for asking an inappropriate question
                Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                • #9
                  From what I have researched, high protein does not cause problems with normal kidneys, but may cause problems with kidneys that are not functioning normally. If she has been having kidney problems and wants to do primal, she may want to monitor her daily intake (fitday.com or livestrong.com have trackers) and keep it below a certain amount (not sure what would be recommended?) and eat more fat and increase the carbs. Primal doesn't necessarily have to be high protein - if I remember correctly , Mark advocates high fat, moderate protein.

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                  • #10
                    Years ago I worked in research, and nearby there was an ongoing project involving low functioning kidneys and diet. Extremely high fat, moderate to low protein diets were what worked the best as I recall. High protein diets did not affect kidneys, but could exacerbate an existing condition if it was an extreme one. No idea what the end results of all that were, I just know that high fat, mid/low protein was what was working best at the time.
                    Fighting fibromyalgia and chronic myofascial pain since 2002.

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                    Our bodies crave real food. We remain hungry as long as we refuse to eat real food, no matter how much junk we stuff into our stomachs. ~J. Stanton

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jokaman70 View Post
                      Now she tells me "This is the 4th time I've had issues with my kidneys in the past 6 months." Is it bad that my most significant sigh of relief came when I realized this wasn't my fault rather than when she told me she was OK and they were sending her home?

                      It's astounding how many chronic issues she has. It really disappoints me that this will probably knock her off the Paleo boat for good what with her mom and dad hearing the BS the MD said about protein and fat.

                      Now that I think about it I'm just pissed off.
                      I wouldn't beat yourself up about it. You were trying to give her advice that you thought would benefit her health in the long run. If she already had previous kidney problems she should have already been advised by her physician as to what is off limits.
                      "If man made it, don't eat it" - Jack Lallane

                      People say I am on a "crazy" diet. What is so crazy about eating veggies, fruits, seafood and organ meats? Just because I don't eat whole wheat and processed food doesn't make my diet "crazy". Maybe everyone else with a SAD are the "crazy" ones for putting that junk in their system.

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                      • #12
                        Seriously, how much protein could she have eaten in 6 days? I know some people mainline it around here but I don't find that I have greatly increased my protein. Instead I have decreased carbs significantly and increased fat. Protein has increased some but I don't think it's enough to adversely affect the kidneys. My recent blood test results are great in that area. The real tragedy here is that most doctors are so ignorant about nutrition. He would probably be more comfortable if she were eating junk than lots of meat. Geez.
                        True healthcare reform starts in your kitchen, not in Washington. ~Anonymous
                        The worst carrot is better than the best candybar.--TornadoGirl

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                        • #13
                          Does she take antiinflamatories on a regular basis? My mom was overdoing naproxen and she had kidney failure.

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                          • #14
                            I think it was a very very sad coincidence. I wouldn't give up on her going paleo. What she should realize is that the other bouts of kidney issues she had was when she was on SAD and that didn't seem to get her anywhere. 6 Days on paleo wouldn't have done squat. Hopefully, with enough info, she'll understandt that producing a lot of insulin on SAD is harder on her pancreas, liver, and kidneys than a little more protein and veggies could do.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jokaman70 View Post
                              Now she tells me "This is the 4th time I've had issues with my kidneys in the past 6 months." Is it bad that my most significant sigh of relief came when I realized this wasn't my fault rather than when she told me she was OK and they were sending her home?

                              It's astounding how many chronic issues she has. It really disappoints me that this will probably knock her off the Paleo boat for good what with her mom and dad hearing the BS the MD said about protein and fat.

                              Now that I think about it I'm just pissed off.
                              If she has so many chronic issues she could have an underlying condition that she may not be aware of.
                              A steak a day keeps the doctor away

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